City Council – October 2, 2019 – Part 2 of 2

City Council – October 2, 2019 – Part 2 of 2


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» NOT-FOR-PROFIT RECOGNITION DAY IS JUST ONE OF 13 — THE CITY OF
TORONTO MADE IN ITS 4 PUBLIC BENEFIT FRAMEWORK, A POLICY THAT
WE AT CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED IN 2017 TO CELEBRATE AND STRENGTHEN
OR WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT SECTOR. I’D LIKE
TO MAKE A MOMENT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE BENEFITS THAT THE
NOT-FOR-PROFIT SECTOR BRINGS TO OUR CITY. THESE COMMUNITY BASED
NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS RANGE FROM HEALTH AND — AND
DIVERSITY, ARTS AND CULTURE, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, SPORTS
AND RECREATION AND MUCH MORE, THAT ALL HAVE CARE AND SERVICE
TO TORONTONIANS AS A CORE VALUE. TORONTO’S NOT-FOR-PROFIT SECTOR
IS KEY TO TORONTO’S ECONOMY GENERATING REVENUES AT LEAST $14
BILLION ANNUALLY, OVER 8% OF OUR GDP AND PROVIDING MEANINGFUL
WORK FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. IT’S A SMART INVESTMENT OF
MUNICIPAL FUNDS. TO KEEP —
HOLDING DECISION MAKERS ACCOUNTABLE TO ALL RESIDENTS AN
ENSURING THAT THE VOICES OF THOSE EXPERIENCE SUCH AT POVERTY
ARE HEARD. SO TO OUR AMAZING NOT-FOR-PROFIT SECTOR WE SAY
THANK YOU, THANK YOU TO YOUR COMMITTEE OR CREATIVE SOLUTIONS
IN THE FACE OF CHALLENGES AND MAKING TORONTO A BETTER PLACE
FOR US ALL. THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT SECTOR DOES NOT SCALE BACK AND
FOR THIS WE THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FORD.
» MADAM SPEAKER I’M MOVING TO —
» YES. » EXCELLENT. SO ON PAGE 8, METROLINX LRT RELOCATION I
HAVE SPOKE WITH A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I AM PREPARED TO
MOVE A QUICK RELEASE WITH A MINOR AMENDMENT THAT HAS BEEN
CIRCULATED. » YES, THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN
CIRCULATED. SO ON THE AMENDMENT, ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED? ITEM AS AMENDED. » RECORDED VOTE.
» RECORDED VOTE. » THANK YOU. .
» COUNCILLOR CRESSY, PLEASE. » THE ITEM AS AMENDED ADOPTED
UNANIMOUSLY 19 IN FAVOR. » COUNCILLOR MATLOW, QUICK
RELEASE. » NO.
» DEPUTY MAYOR MINNAN-WONG. » YES, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I BELIEVE — PAGE 8 .
» OKAY. SO THERE’S A MOTION TO REOPEN NY 8.4, ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. AND YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER,
RIGHT? » RIGHT. THANK YOU. I DON’T
HAVE ANYTHING NOW. » YEAH. » COUNCILLOR CARROLL YOU HAVE A
MOTION TO INTRODUCE [INAUDIBLE]. » YES, THAT LEAVE BE GRANTED TO
INTRODUCE BILL 1360 TO 1364 INCLUSIVE. » SHALL LEAVE BE GRANTED TO
INTRODUCE THESE BILLS RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR FILION, PLEASE.
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, PLEASE. » COUNCILLOR MATLOW.
» COUNCILLOR BAILÃO WHEN YOU’RE SEATED. » MOTION TO INTRODUCE THE BILLS
CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY 22 IN FAVOR. » SHALL THESE BILLS BE PASSED
AND DECLARED AS A BYLAW, RECORD THE VOTE. THESE BILLS ARE THE 2 ITEMS THAT
COUNCILLOR FLETCHER WE MOVED THIS MORNING.
» COUNCILLOR, WONG-TAM, PLEASE. COUNCILLOR GRIMES, PLEASE. THE MOTION TO ENACT THE
BILLS CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY 23 IN FAVOR.
» I’VE ALSO REVIEWED A NUMBER OF URGENT MOTIONS TO BE ADDED TO
THE AGENDA. COUNCILLOR BRADFORD, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO INTRODUCE ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR ROBINSON. >> YES. SURE. THIS ITEM IS
URGENT AS THE HEARING IS ON JANUARY 13TH. TO PROCEED
WITH THE HEARING FOR THIS MATTER.
» THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR LAYTON. OKAY,
COUNCILLOR CRESSY ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR LAYTON.
» THANK YOU, SPEAKER. THIS IS URGENT AS IT RELATES TO A T LAB
HEARING AND THE SOLICITOR REQUIRES FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS.
» ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR BAILÃO. » THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, THE
DEADLINE TO OBSERVATIONS WAS PASSED AND WE NEED TO DO IT AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE. » ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY. » YES, THANK YOU, MADAM
SPEAKER. I WISH TO INTRODUCE A MOTION WITHOUT NOTICE AND THE
REASON THAT IT IS URGENT BECAUSE IT PERTAINS TO HEARING AND THE
CITY SOLICITOR REQUIRES DIRECTION.
» ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR CRESSY. » THANK YOU, SPEAKER THIS IS
URGENT IN ORDER TO INITIATE THE PLANNING AND DESIGN FOR OUR
UPCOMING — » ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR CRESSY ON BEHALF OF
COUNCILLOR LAYTON. » THIS IS URGENT. IT IS A LONG
PARAGRAPH ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR LAYTON BUT IT’S
URGENT BECAUSE COUNCILLOR LAYTON SAID IT WAS URGENT AND HAPPY TO
INTRODUCE ON HIS BEHALF. » ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR BAILÃO. OH,
COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD. » YES, MADAM SPEAKER I BELIEVE
THIS IS A T LAB APPEAL THAT IS COMING UP. » ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED.
COUNCILLOR BAILÃO. » THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER THIS
MOTION IS URGENT AS I THINK ALL OF US [INAUDIBLE] DIRECTOR AND
[INAUDIBLE]. » ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. » COUNCILLOR FILION. » THIS IS URGENT BECAUSE OF A T
LAB HEARING AND WE’RE ALREADY SOMEWHAT LATE AND — IN GIVING
INSTRUCTION. » ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED.
COUNCILLOR CARROLL I HEARD YOU SAY YOU WANTED A RELEASE OF AN
ITEM? » I’D LIKE TO RELEASE ITEM PH
8.4. HAD A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND —
» WHAT’S THE TITLE? » THE TITLE IS — CHAPTER 363
CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION BYLAW UPDATE.
» IT’S ON PAGE 7. » PAGE 7.
» COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY, WOULD STILL LIKE YOU TO HOLD IT. COUNCILLOR COLLE STILL IN YOUR
NAME. YOU DON’T WANT IT? OKAY. SO WE’LL GIVE IT TO HOLYDAY. OKAY. WE WILL NOW GO BACK TO THE
MAYOR’S SECOND KEY ITEM WHICH IS EX 8.20, EX 8.26 AND MM SO IF WE
HAVE QUESTIONS WE HAVE THE STAFF THAT ARE HERE NOW. SO IF YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME UP REQUESTS TO
QUESTION STAFF. COUNCILLOR CRESSY.
» THANK YOU, SPEAKER. I’LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR OUR
REPRESENTATIVES AN THEN CITY STAFF IF THAT’S ALL RIGHT. I’LL
JUST BEGIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I JUST WANT TO GET A
SENSE OF FUNDING REQUESTS AND COMMITMENTS FROM OTHER LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT FOR TPS SPECIFICALLY. SO IN 2018, DID WE MAKE ANY —
DID WE RECEIVE ANY FUNDING COMMITMENTS OR MAKE ANY REQUESTS
FROM EITHER THE PROVINCIAL OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
» THROUGH YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, IN 2018, WE DID HAVE SOME GRANT
APPLICATIONS THAT WERE FORWARDED BOTH TO THE PROVINCIAL AND
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. MOST OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY DENIED. WE
DID GET 25 MILLION FROM THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT, 19
MILLION WAS FOR US SO $4.8 MILLION A YEAR AND REMAINING $6
MILLION WAS FOR THE MINISTRY OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. OVER 4
YEARS WE GET ABOUT $19 MILLION. » SO IN 2018, WE’VE RECEIVED
THE $19 MILLION COMMITMENT FROM THE PROVINCE.
» RIGHT, OVER FOUR YEARS. » OVER FOUR YEARS. AND IN
2019, DID WE ASK FOR OR RECEIVE ANY FUNDING COMMITMENTES FROM
ANY OF THE 2 LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, THE PROVINCE OR THE
FEDS. » THAT WAS ONE AND A HALF
MILLION FROM THE 3 LEVELS OF GOVERNMENTS EACH. SO THAT’S FOR
OUR PROJECT COMMUNITIES SPACE WHICH IS CURRENTLY ONGOING. WE
GOT $3 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE PROVINCE FOR
THE EXPANSION OF OUR PUBLIC SPACE, 30 — 34 CAMERAS TO 74
CAMERAS, 40 CAMERA EXPANSION. » OKAY. SO IN 2019, A TOTAL OF
3 MILLION AND THE ADDITIONAL 1.5 MILLION AND THEN 1.5 MILLION
FROM THE FEDS. » YEAH, SO — FOR THE COMMUNITY
SPACE 1 AND A HALF FROM EACH LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT INCLUDING
THE CITY AND $2 MILLION MORE IN 2019, FOR THE EXPANSION OF OUR
CCTV PROGRAM. » SO IS IT FAIR FOR ME TO SAY
IF I WERE TO ADD THAT UP BETWEEN 2018, $19 MILLION COMMITTED BY
THE PROVINCE OVER FOUR YEARS AND IN 2019, AN ADDITIONAL 4 AND A
HALF MILLION IN TOTAL COMMITTED FROM THE PROVINCE AND ONE AND A
HALF MILLION FROM THE FEDS. » YEAH IT WORKS OUT FOR THE
PROVINCE PROBABLY ONE AND A HALF — PROBABLY ABOUT 23 MILLION.
» OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN JULY OF 2018, WE CAME UP WITH
— YOU BROUGHT FORWARD A COMPREHENSIVE COMBATTING GUN
VIOLENCE STRATEGY WITH A SERIES OF FUNDING REQUESTS, WHAT WAS
THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THAT STRATEGY THIS COUNCIL ADOPTED IN
2018? » THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE TOTAL
ASK OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE NATIONAL CRIME PREVENTION
GRANT WAS $32.6 MILLION. » OKAY. SO THIS IS COMBINING —
$32.6 MILLION AND HOW MUCH DID WE RECEIVE FROM THE FEDS?
» WE RECEIVED FUNDING FOR $6.8 MILLION OVER 5 YEARS FOR THE
COMMUNITY HEALING PROJECT. » 6.8 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS.
» OUTSTANDING REQUESTS IS $26.2 MILLION.
» HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY MONEY WERE THE PROVINCE DEALING WITH
OUR — » THROUGH THE CHAIR, NO, WE HAVE
NOT. WE DID MAKE A REQUEST OF $15 MILLION IN 2018.
» SO WE ASKED FOR — WE ASKED FOR — SO WE ASKED FOR 32
MILLION FROM THE FEDS AND RECEIVED 6 AND ASKED FOR 15
MILLION FROM THE PROVINCE AND RECEIVED 0.
» THROUGH THE CHAIR, CORRECT. » THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. » THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR GRIMES. » THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.
MY QUESTIONS TO THE DEPUTY THERE, [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILLOR
THOMPSON’S AREA, THEY’RE ON THE GROUND, WALKING, IN CARS, WERE
ARE THESE OFFICERS COMING FROM NOW, THE LOCAL DIVISION OR?
» THROUGH MADAM SPEAKER, YES, THEY ARE. I MEAN, THEY’RE
ACTUALLY ASSIGNED AS PART OF OUR NEW NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICER
PROGRAM AND THEY’RE COMING FROM VARIOUS DIVISION AND ASSIGNED TO
SOME OF THE [INAUDIBLE]. » SO THEY’RE COMING FROM OTHER
DIVISIONS IN THERE? » YES, IT’S A CENTRALIZED BODY
THAT WE’RE PULLING APART AND COLLECTING AND THEN THEY’RE
GOING INTO THE VARIOUS DIVISIONS.
» OKAY AND IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION HOW MANY OFFICERS ON THE
STREET TODAY? » [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS].
» I THINK WE WERE AVERAGNG AROUND 48, 50, 4,900 THIS YEAR.
» 48, 4,900, HOW MANY SHOULD WE HAVE?
» ACTUALLY I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. WE’RE WORKING
ON AS PART OF A NEW SHIFT SCHEDULE CHANGE THAT HOPEFULLY
IF THE — IF WE GET THE VOTES NECESSARY WE CAN MOVE TO THIS
NEW 12-HOUR SHIFT WE’LL BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO DETERMINE
WHAT OUR ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE BECAUSE THERE’S BEEN A LOT OF
STUDY GOING INTO THAT. WE KNOW WHAT THE CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE
AND THE DEMAND — WHAT THE DEMAND REQUIREMENTS ARE.
» SO TO BE CLEAR WE HAVE NO REALLY IDEA WHAT THAT NUMBER
SHOULD BE, 3,200, 5,300, 48. » I WOULDN’T SAY WE HAVE NO
IDEA. WE’RE THINKING AROUND THE NUMBER ABOUT 5,000 RIGHT NOW BUT
THERE’S STILL MORE ANALYSIS REQUIRED FOR THE FINAL
DETERMINATION. » THAT 5,000 DOWN FROM 5,600.
» THAT’S CORRECT. » THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, THANK
YOU. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR COLLE.
» THE DEPUTY CHIEF DID PASS ON — INCREDIBLE WORK DONE BY
THE MEN AND WOMEN OF 13 DIVISION AND 32 DIVISION DURING THE —
THEY WERE OUT THERE ON THE FRONT LINES FROM MAY — I’D LIKE TO
THANK THE POLICE FOR DOING A GOOD JOB, OKAY, AND I’M GOING TO
ASK QUESTIONS NOW. THE QUESTION IS THIS: I’VE BEEN HAVING A
HECK OF A TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE TRACKING OF BAIL THAT IS
GRANTED. AND YOU KNOW, WE’VE BEEN TOLD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE
POLICE — FRONT LINE OFFICERS ARE VERY BUSY, HOW DO WE FIND
OUT IF A PERSON IS GOING TO A BAIL HEARING, HOW DO WE FIND OUT
IF THEY WERE GIVEN BAIL, HOW DO WE FIND OUT IF THEY WERE
RELEASED SO WE COULD LET THE PUBLIC KNOW BECAUSE I’VE HAD
CALLS FROM PEOPLE SAYING A DANGEROUS PERSON I HEAR IS GOING
TO GET OUT ON BAIL, I’M WORRIED FOR MY LIFE. CAN YOU FIND OUT
WHERE THIS ALLEGED CRIMINAL IS? HOW DO WE FIND OUT? » THROUGH MADAM SPEAKER, THE
POLICE SERVICE IS AWARE OF EVERYONE WHO RECEIVED BAIL AND
WE TRACK THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON BAIL AND THAT’S PART OF OUR
BAIL COMPLIANCE PROGRAM AND WE’RE CHECKING ON THEM. FOR
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PEOPLE ON BAIL APPEARING IN COURT IT’S A
MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD WHETHER THEY’VE RECEIVED BAIL OR REMAIN
IN CUSTODY OR WHAT THEIR CONDITIONS ARE FOR RELEASE.
» BUT IN THIS CASE HOW DOES A PERSON WHO WANTS TO GO TO THE
BAIL HEARING OR SUBMIT SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE IN THIS CASE
I HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO GO TO THE BAIL HEARING AND TELL THE AUTHORITIES THAT THIS SUSPECT
PROBABLY WAS CAUGHT ON VIDEO BREAKING AND ENTERING IN 3 OR 4
OUR SYNAGOGUES, SO TRYING TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO BLISS AND
HOW DOES HE DO THAT OR SHE DO THAT?
» WELL IF THEY’RE AWARE — I’M ASSUMING THEY’RE AWARE THIS
INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN ARRESTED AND THEY NEED TO CONTACT THEIR LOCAL
POLICE DIVISION AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO INVESTIGATORS.
» SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO THAT, THEN WE TRIED
WE COULDN’T GET THE INFORMATION. HOW DO WE HAVE A TRANSPARENT
SYSTEM WHERE A CITIZEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO KNOW WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE
MINISTRY OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, HAVING TO GO THROUGH
THE COUNCILLOR’S OFFICE, HOW CAN THEY FIND OUT THE STATUS OF A
BAIL HEARING? » THE — THE ONLY WAY THEY’RE
GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IS CONTACT THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE
DIVISION. » ANYWAYS JUST DIDN’T WORK.
THE SECOND THING I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT IS THAT IN TERMS OF THE
DEPLOYMENT OF THESE RESOURCES, I KNOW THERE’S A NEW NEIGHBOURHOOD
OFFICER PROGRAM. » THAT’S CORRECT.
» SO THE PEOPLE IN LAWRENCE HEIGHTS IN MY AREA ARE ASKING
FOR — HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR 15 YEARS FOR A LOCAL POLICE OFFICE IN LAWRENCE
HEIGHTS BECAUSE THE CLOSEST STATION IS 8.4 KILOMETERS AWAY,
32 DIVISION. SO THEY’VE ASKED CAN WE HAVE A PRESENCE IN A
COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICE IN LAWRENCE HEIGHTS. IS THAT
POSSIBLE? » IS IT POSSIBLE, THE REALITY
IS WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO IS REDUCE OUR FOOTPRINT AND
CONSOLIDATE BUILDINGS. SO RIGHT NOW THAT’S WHERE THE OFFICERS
ARE BEING DEPLOYED FROM IS 32 DIVISION.
» BUT DON’T YOU THINK IT’S HELPFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET
TO KNOW THE OFFICERS FACE-TO-FACE, KNOW WHERE TO GO
TO TALK TO THEM, RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO 8.4 KILOMETERS
WHERE MOST OF THEM DON’T HAVE CARS, AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE
TO APPROACH AND TALK TO POLICE OFFICERS, AND OFFICERS THAT ARE
— THEY KNOW WHERE TO FIND THEM? » WELL, THAT’S REALLY THE
PURPOSE OF THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICER PROGRAM. THAT THE
OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE EVERY DAY. AND PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY ARE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THEY’RE THERE EVERY DAY AND GO
AND SEE THEM AND INTERACT WITH THEM.
» WHY CAN’T YOU GET A NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICER IN THE
TCHC OFFICE THAT’S AVAILABLE TO SIT IN THERE A FEW HOURS A DAY
OR BE OUTSIDE, INSIDE WITH THEIR BIKES AND EVERYTHING, BUT A
LOCATION IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD WHERE THEY’RE THERE ON A REGULAR
BASIS. I’M NOT SAYING 24/7, BUT WHAT’S WRONG WITH HAVING THAT
FOR THE PUBLIC TO REASSURE THEM THAT YOU CAN GO IN YOUR
COMMUNITY AND FIND AN OFFICER? » OKAY. THAT WAS YOUR LAST
QUESTION. I DON’T THINK —
» NO, AT THIS TIME — » NO.
» WE USED TO HAVE — » YEAH, I DON’T THINK —
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS. » THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER
THROUGH YOU TO DEPUTY CHIEF THANK YOU FOR COMING. REALLY
APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU AND WOMEN DO. DID YOU
— WITH OTHER CITIES LIKE NEW YORK, DETROIT AND WHAT THEY DO
RIGHT, WHAT THEY DO WRONG [INAUDIBLE].
» WE OFTEN CONSULT WITH OTHER AGENCIES BOTH IN THE COUNTRY AND
INTERNATIONALLY. » ACCORDING TO YOUR STAFF THAT
WE HAVE RECEIVED AND I WILL QUOTE HER NAME MARY
ANNA [INDISCERNIBLE] WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A TABLE.
NOW, GUN RELATED MATTERS, 2004, WE’VE GOT A NUMBER OF 26; IN
2018, WE’VE GOT A NUMBER OF 51, THAT WOULD BE A 50% INCREASE,
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? » YES.
» OKAY. NEW YORK CITY THAT YOU CONSULT WITH SHOWS THAT IN 2004
THEY HAD 2055 SHOOTINGS AND NOW DROPPED DOWN TO 951 WHICH IS A
50% DECREASE. IF WE’RE CONSULTING WITH THEM,
IF WE ASK THEM WHAT THEY’RE DOING RIGHT, OR WHAT METHODS
THEY’RE USING, AND THEY HAVE THEM LISTED GUN VIOLENCE VERSUS
WHAT WE HAVE? » YES, WE DO CONSULT WITH THEM
ON THE WAY THEY’RE DOING BUSINESS AND WHAT WORKS AND WHAT
DOESN’T WORK. THE REALITY THOUGH IS NEW YORK THEIR NUMBERS
WERE EXTREMELY HIGH SOMETHING THAT EVEN ON A PER CAPITA BASIS
WE’VE NEVER EXPERIENCED, SO THEIR DROP HAS BEEN QUITE
DRAMATIC. » MADAM CHAIR, I’M SORRY, I
CAN’T HEAR MYSELF. » OKAY. COUNCILLOR.
» SORRY. » IF WE’RE CONSULTING WITH THEM
ARE WE TAKING AWAY LESSONS WHAT THEY’VE DONE AND TRYING TO
IMPLEMENT THEM IN CANADA? » WE DO LET SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT THEY’RE DOING WELL AND CONSIDER THAT IN THE WAY WE DO
OUR WORK HERE AS WELL, YES, WE DO.
» OKAY. WE HAVE IN 2004, ACCORDING TO THE STATS
624 PEOPLE FOR 1 POLICE OFFICER WHILE NEW YORK HAD 216, IS ONE
OF THE LESSONS THAT WE’RE LEARNING FROM THEM THAT —
BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS PER PEOPLE, THAT
MAYBE WE SHOULD BE — THAT WAY.
» YOU CAN’T LOOK AT THAT STATISTIC IN ISOLATION. IS IT A FACTOR, PERHAPS?
» I MEAN IN 2004, WE HAD 6 — WE HAD ONE POLICE OFFICER FOR
624 AND NOW WE HAVE ONE POLICE OFFICER FOR 767. WELL, WE HAVE
GONE UP BY YOU KNOW, BY ABOUT 140, THEY’VE GONE UP FROM ONLY
BY 20, MINE IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY’RE
DOING AND PROBABLY BRING IT HERE? I MEAN, DO WE NEED MORE
POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET? THEIR NUMBERS HAVE NOT INCREASED
BUT ABLE TO GET THE CRIME, I MEAN THE SHOOTINGS DOWN. IS
THERE SOMETHING THERE THAT THEY’RE DOING THAT YOU CAN SHARE
WITH US THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU
THE TOOLS IN ORDER TO DO IT OR ENHANCE TOOLS THAT THEY’VE
GOTTEN THAT WE DON’T HAVE. » I DON’T THINK THERE’S
ANYTHING REMARKABLY DIFFERENT THAT THEY’RE DOING THAT WE ARE
NOT. IN MANY CASES WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE DOING VERY, VERY
WELL. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER AS WELL THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED
A LOT SO WE’RE DOING THINGS MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WE WERE IN
THE PAST PARTICULARLY OUR INTELLIGENCE —
» THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND OUR TECHNOLOGY IS THE SAME AND YET
OUR — I MEAN, THE INCREASE IN CRIME HAS GONE UP BY 50%,
LOWERED 50, WHY THAT DIFFERENCE? » I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER.
» OKAY. MAYBE I CAN — I CAN PROBABLY GET SOMETHING A LATER
DATE. THANKS VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. » IF WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS ON
THE ITEM THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. COUNCILLOR LAI, IT WOULD BE
REALLY NICE, YEAH. » THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I
HEARD ABOUT THIS NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICER PROGRAM. I’D LIKE TO
ASK A QUESTION THROUGH YOU, MADAM SPEAKER TO THE DEPUTY
CHIEF. HOW MANY — WHEN THIS
NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICER PROGRAM FIRST STARTED? » WE’VE HAD VARIOUS FORMS OF
OFFICERS WALKING ON THE BEAT FOR YEARS. I MEAN WE WERE DOING
THAT WHEN I START SOME 39 YEARS AGO. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS AN
ENHANCED NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICER PROGRAM WHERE THEY’RE RECEIVING
ENHANCED TRAINING IN TERMS OF INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE, CRISIS
MITIGATION, THE COLLECTION OF INTELLIGENCE TO SHARE WITH THE
OTHER SPECIALIZED UNITS IN THE ORGANIZATION. AND SO CURRENTLY
NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 127 FULL-TIME NEIGHBOURHOOD FACING OFFICERS.
» OH, THAT’S ACTUALLY MY NEXT QUESTION, HOW MANY NEIGHBOURHOOD
OFFICERS DO WE HAVE, 127? » THAT’S CORRECT.
» AND HOW MANY MORE NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICERS DO YOU
THINK YOU NEED TO COVER ALL THE WARD IN TORONTO?
» YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON’T KNOW THAT NUMBER. BUT IT’S
DEFINITELY MORE. THERE’S A NUMBER OF OTHER OF OUR PRIORITY
NEIGHBOURHOODS THAT WE’VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE DON’T HAVE
OFFICERS CURRENTLY FOR SO WE ARE GOING TO NEED MORE OFFICERS.
» SO YOU THINK THIS IS A NEED TO INCREASE THIS NUMBER OF
NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICERS. » YES. AND THAT’S PART OF OUR
PLAN TO DO THAT WITH OUR ONGOING HIRING.
» AND THERE’S ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE’RE ALLOCATING TO
YOU HAVE YOU CONSIDERED — WITH THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING
THAT YOU GET? » THE CURRENT FUNDING THAT WE
HAVE WITH RESPECT TO COMMUNITY SPACE IF THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE
REFERRING TO IS JUST A SHORT-TERM INITIATIVE UNTIL THE
BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER THAT’S AN IMMEDIATE ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS
SOME OF THE VIOLENCE ON THE STREET.
» DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS ANNUAL COST OF ADDING ONE NEIGHBOURHOOD
OFFICER IN THE CITY? » ONE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER IS
ABOUT $140,000. » ONE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER
ANNUALLY? » THAT’S CORRECT.
» THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. » COUNCILLOR AINSLIE.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT I GUESS WHAT
ARE CALLED GHOST GUNS AND 3D GUNS AND HOW WE’RE DOING. HAS
THERE BEEN AN INCREASE IN THOSE IN TORONTO, I GUESS GHOST GUNS
IN PARTICULAR? .
» WHEN YOU’RE REFERRING TO GHOST GUNS YOU MEAN.
» MY UNDERSTANDING YOU CAN BUY A COMPONENT CALLED A RECEIVER,
SOMEBODY CAN GO TO A HARDWARE STORE LOOK ONLINE, BUY PARTS AND
BUILD A GUN WITH NO SERIAL NUMBER.
» YES. WE HAVEN’T SEEN A DRAMATIC INCREASE BUT THEY ARE
OUT THERE AND WE’RE SEEING GUNS THAT ARE BEING MODIFIED. YOU
MIGHT SEE STARTER THAT ARE MODIFIED. WE’RE SEEING WHERE
THEY’RE IMPORTING COMPONENT PARTS FROM SAY THE UNITED STATES
AND IMPORTING THEM UP INTO HERE WE ARE SEEING SOME OF THAT, YES
BUT I WOULDN’T SAY IT’S INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
» OKAY. CAN YOU — I GUESS THOSE DIFFERENT PARTS CAN I GO
TO LIKE A — IN TORONTO OR THAT’S SOMETHING I HAVE TO BUY
THROUGH THE STATES I GUESS OR ANOTHER COUNTRY THROUGH THE
MAIL. » THAT’S CORRECT, THAT’S BEING
IMPORTED. » THEY’D ALL BE IMPORTED.
» THAT’S CORRECT. » THAT’S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD
NEED A STRONGER ENFORCEMENT MEASURES WITH CANADA POST.
» YES AND THEY ARE INVOLVED IN THAT. WE WORK TOGETHER WITH
THOSE AGENCIES AND TRYING TO PREVENT THAT. AND AS I
INDICATED ALREADY WE’RE NOT SEEING A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN
THAT AREA. » ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. » THANK YOU.
» COUNCILLOR FLETCHER. » THANK YOU, SPEAKER. I’M JUST
GOING TO ASK THERE DOES SEEM LIKE THERE’S A LOT OF THE
SHOOTINGS AND WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WHETHER THEY’RE
ACTUALLY DEATHS OR JUST SHOOTINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO
TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING OR TENANTS FROM TORONTO COMMUNITY
HOUSING. WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER
THAT. » THROUGH MADAM SPEAKER, YES.
I MEAN, OUR COMMUNITY HOUSING AREA IS PROBLEMATIC FOR US.
» WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE PERCENTAGE? » I DON’T — I COULDN’T GIVE
YOU OFFHAND WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS IN TCHC BUILDINGS.
» TCHC BUILDINGS WHAT IF I SAID 40, 50%? » WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON’T WANT
TO — I DON’T WANT TO SPECULATE TOO MUCH. IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL
NUMBER. I KNOW IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER WE’RE PROBABLY SEEING
ABOUT 35% OF OUR SHOOTINGS AND THERE’S A NUMBER OF TCHC
BUILDINGS THERE AS WELL. I HAVE TO INVESTIGATION THAT NUMBER TO
GIVE YOU A CONCLUSIVE ANSWER. » SO YOU COULD GET THAT. SO
JUST WHEN THOSE ARE THOSE BUILDINGS AND THOSE TENANTS,
WHAT IS YOUR — WHAT DOES THE OPERATION LOOK LIKE THAT’S
RELATED TO [INAUDIBLE] AND THOSE SHOOTINGS IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE?
» COULD YOU PERHAPS ELABORATE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU’RE ASKING?
» WELL, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN MORE OFFICERS. WHAT
IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING IN
ORDER TO BE AS PROACTIVE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE SITUATION NOT AFTER THEY’VE
HAPPENED BUT PRIOR? » ACTUALLY WE HAVE A GOOD
COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH TCHC, AND IN FACT I’VE HAD A
NUMBER OF — A COUPLE OF MY OFFICERS THAT OVERSEE THE
SPECIAL CONSTABLE PROGRAM TAKING RIDE-ALONGS WITH THE MEMBERS OF
THE TCHC SECURITY, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE
PROBLEMS ARE WHERE THE WEAKNESSES ARE IN TERMS OF HOW
WE CAN IMPROVE THAT RELATIONSHIP AND SHARING OF ENVELOPES. WE’RE
WORKING ON THAT. » I JUST HAD 2 SHOOTINGS OVER
THE WEEKEND IN ONE OF MY COMMUNITIES. WHO AT CENTRAL
COMMAND IS KIND OF OVERSEEING EVERYTHING RELATED TO
RELATIONSHIPS WITH TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING?
» WE HAVE IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMAND ONE OF OUR STAFF
SUPERINTENDENT OVERSEE THAT IS RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
» WITH THE CSU OR WITH — » TCHC.
» WITH CSU OR WITH CEO OR WITH THE COO, OR WHAT’S THAT
RELATIONSHIP AND WHERE? » IT’S WITH THE CHIEF OF THEIR
SECURITY TEAM. PRIMARILY IS WHO WE DEAL WITH.
» SO THE SPECIAL CONSTABLE. » THAT’S CORRECT.
» SO THE ACTUALLY — AND THEN DO YOU DEAL OF A PLAN FOR EACH
NEIGHBOURHOOD, BE PART OF THE PLANNING RESPONSES AHEAD OF TIME
AND PROACTIVELY PLANNING? » NO, I’M NOT. I MEAN, EACH
DIVISION WILL WORK WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVE MEMBERS THAT ARE
WORKING AT TCHC WITHIN EACH DIVISION
» SO EACH DIVISION IS WORKING, SOMEBODY AT HEADQUARTERS WAS THE
CSU AND ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT THERE WILL BE A PLAN FOR THESE
COMMUNITIES FROM YOUR OFFICERS OR NOT?
» YEAH, AND THAT’S — ACTUALLY THAT’S PART OF THE REASON WHY I’VE HAD MEMBERS OF OUR PSU UNIT
ACTUALLY RIDING ALONG WITH THEIR OFFICERS TO SEE WHERE THERE ARE
WEAKNESSES IN TERMS OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND WHAT CAN BE
DONE BETTER. SO WE ACTUALLY OVERSEE THE PROGRAM BUT THE
INDIVIDUAL INTERACTION IS WITH EACH REPRESENTATIVE DIVISION.
» SO THE LIMITS OR STRUCTURE THAT YOU
WORK WITH IS WITH THE SPECIAL CONSTABLE?
» THAT’S CORRECT. » THERE IS NO DIRECT
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CEO OR THE COO OR ANY OTHER MANAGEMENT OF
TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING FROM TORONTO POLICE?
» ON AN OCCASIONAL BASIS WE WILL MEET BUT THE PRIMARILY
RELATIONSHIP ON A REGULAR BASIS IS WITH THE TCHC SECURITY.
» THANK YOU. THAT’S VERY INFORMATIVE.
» THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PERKS, QUESTION.
» THANK YOU. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF FROM
SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO A LITTLE OVER A DECADE AGO WE
HAD WHAT WAS CALLED THE SUMMER OF THE GUN. AND IN RESPONSE TO
THAT THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO CONDUCTED PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST
COMPREHENSIVE STUDIES OF WHY VIOLENCE OCCURS IN OUR
COMMUNITY. » THROUGH THE CHAIR, YES.
» YEAH, AND YOU KNOW THAT REPORT WENT TO OTHER COUNTRIES,
MET WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, MET WITH FAMILIES, MET WITH SERVICE
DELIVERY PEOPLE, THEY DID LITERATURE REVIEWS, COMMISSION
STUDIES, IT’S PROBABLY THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE PIECE OF WORK ON
VIOLENCE IN URBAN AREAS EVER DONE IN CANADA.
» THROUGH THE CHAIR, YES, THAT’S TRUE.
» DOES IT MAKE A SINGLE RECOMMENDATION ENCOURAGING THAT
WE HAVE MORE POLICE? » THROUGH THE CHAIR, NO.
» THANK YOU. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM.
» YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THROUGH YOU TO YOUR DEPUTY
CHIEF, JUST TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ASKED
AND I HEARD SOME ANSWERS BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THE $4.5
MILLION THAT’S PROPOSED IN THE LETTER FROM THE MAYOR, WHAT
SERVICES DID IT [INAUDIBLE] WHAT DID THEY GET FOR THAT? AND WHEN
DID THAT ENHANCED SERVICE BEGIN? » IT STARTED APPROXIMATELY
AROUND THE 15TH OF AUGUST. AND IT’S ABOUT IMPROVED DATA AND
INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION, BILL COMPLIANCE CHECKS, INCREASED
UNIFORM VISIBILITY AS WELL AS SPECIALIZED INVESTIGATION.
» AND HOW LONG DOES THAT SERVICE LAST FOR?
» IT’S 12 WEEKS, I BELIEVE — 11 WEEKS.
» WHEN WOULD THE END DATE? » OCTOBER 31ST.
» SO THE SERVICE HAS ALREADY BEEN PROCURED AND WE’VE ALREADY
RECEIVED IT, 4 WEEKS LEFT OF THE PROGRAM, WITH RESPECT TO THE
QUESTIONS FROM SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES THEY’VE BEEN ASKING
ABOUT NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICERS WHICH IS A VERY POPULAR PROGRAM.
I’D SAY IT’S PROVEN TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE, NONE OF THIS MONEY
GOES TO HIRING DEDICATED NEIG HBOURHOOD OFFICERS IS THAT
CORRECT? » THAT’S CORRECT.
» OBVIOUSLY THERE IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE 2020 BUDGET THERE WILL BE
A REQUEST TO EXPAND DEDICATED NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICER PROGRAM?
» THAT’S CORRECT. » BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT’S BEFORE
US TODAY? » CORRECT.
» SO IF WE — THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST WHICH IS DRAWING $1.5
MILLION FROM THE TAX STABILIZATION RESERVE SO WE CAN
PUT IN THE CITY’S PORTION TO MEET THE PROVINCE AND THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 1-3RD, 1-3RD WE DON’T NECESSARILY GET TO
INFLUENCE HOW THAT MONEY IS TO BE SPENT BECAUSE IT’S ALREADY
PREDETERMINED; IS THAT CORRECT? » THAT’S CORRECT.
» THANK YOU VERY MUCH. » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON.
» THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER. SO, DEPUTY JUST
FOLLOWING ON THE QUESTION FROM COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, THE
PROJECTS FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF THE FUNDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN
STRUCTURED, RESOURCES HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED AS IT RELATES TO THIS
PARTICULAR PROGRAM. YOU TALK ABOUT INTELLIGENCE GATHERING,
DATA GATHERING AND SO ON IS THAT CORRECT?
» THROUGH MADAM SPEAKER, THAT’S CORRECT.
» RIGHT. COULD YOU TELL US THIS ACUTE PROBLEM THAT WE’RE
HAVING WITH GUNS IN THE CITY, WHERE ARE THE GUNS COMING FROM
AND HOW ARE THEY GETTING HERE AND HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING IN
TERMS OF THE INTELLIGENCE GATHERING AND SO ON, DO WE KNOW
WHO SOME OF THESE SOURCES ARE? » IT’S SOMETHING THAT’S
EVOLVING ALL THE TIME AND WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS,
BORDER POINTS OF COURSE GIVING A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OVER 50% ARE
COMING — [INAUDIBLE] FROM THE UNITED STATES AND EVEN MORE
LOCALLY IN TERMS OF SHIP TRAFFIC COMING ACROSS FROM
THE UNITED STATES. » RIGHT. I WAS ELECTED IN
2003, AND WE WENT THROUGH VARYING PERIODS, THE
[INDISCERNIBLE] BOYS AND [INDISCERNIBLE] CREW AND ALL OF
THOSE FOLKS. LOTS OF WORK WAS DONE IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING
THOSE PEOPLE. MANY WERE ARRESTED AND BROUGHT BACK OUT ON
BAIL AND A VARIETY OF THINGS AND WE SAW AN INCREASE IN TERMS OF
ACTIVITY THAT TOOK PLACE. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE: GIVEN
YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND GIVEN THE EXPERIENCE OF THE SERVICE, WITH
RESPECT TO LEGISLATURES, WHAT RULES, WHAT LAWS DO WE EITHER
HAVE TO TIGHTEN UP, DO WE HAVE TO CHANGE OR NEW ONES THAT WE
HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THAT CAN HELP YOU AND THE OFFICERS TO PROTECT
OUR SOCIETY? » WELL, FROM MY STANDPOINT ONE
OF THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE OR ONE OF THE CHANGES
IS MORE STRICTER RULES WITH RESPECT TO BAIL. WE’RE SEEING
QUITE OFTEN WHETHER IT’S VICTIMS OR THE PEOPLE WE ARREST FOR
THESE SHOOTINGS THAT THEY PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN ON BAIL,
AND THAT’S A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM FOR US.
» RIGHT. » AND IT’S FRUSTRATING PROBLEM
QUITE FRANKLY. » THE ISSUE AROUND HAVING
PEOPLE COME TO HELP THE POLICE IN TERMS OF PROVIDING
INFORMATION THERE’S A LEVEL OF FEAR THAT OCCURS IN OUR SOCIETY,
NOTWITHSTANDING THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE $4.5 MILLION THAT WE’RE SAYING THIS IS HOW WE’RE
GOING TO SPEND IT, BUT THERE’S A VACUUM THERE THAT EXISTS WITH
RESPECT TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANTING TO COME OUT TO PROVIDE
INFORMATION TO THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY DON’T FEEL SECURE
THERE AFTER BECAUSE THEY FEEL IF THEY SPEAK TO THE POLICE THEY
THEMSELVES COULD BE PUT IN JEOPARDY. I’M JUST WONDERING
FROM YOU WITH RESPECT TO YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, WHAT
MORE CAN WE DO TO IN TERMS OF WITNESS PROTECTION AND A
MECHANISM TO ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE IN NEIGHBOURHOODS AND THE
— SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION, ARE THERE SOME ADDITIONAL WAYS
BEYOND CRIME STOPPERS AND SO ON THAT FOR EXAMPLE THE POLICE
COULD COME UP WITH TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO
THEM WITHOUT NECESSARILY GOING INTO A POLICE STATION. MANY
YEARS AGO I SAID MAYBE WE CAN USE SOME OF THE BUSINESSES IN
OUR COMMUNITY WHERE POLICE OFFICERS COULD ACTUALLY GO IN
AND MEET THEM THERE AND PEOPLE DON’T REALIZE THEY’RE GOING TO
TALK TO POLICE. FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE SOME
ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS. » LET ME PREFACE MY THOUGHTS
FIRST OF ALL I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE
WITNESS FIND THEMSELVES — IT IS — THEY DO FEEL UNSAFE.
» RIGHT. » THE REALITY IS ONCE YOU’RE
TALKING TO THE POLICE AT ANY POINT IN TIME IT SUBJECT TO
DISCLOSURE AND IT BECOMES PART OF THE COURT PROCESS. SO REALLY
THE CRIME STOPPERS PROGRAM IS REALLY THE KEY PROGRAM FOR
PEOPLE TO CALL IN. AND THAT’S WHY PEOPLE CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS
AND THEY CAN BE THEREFORE, PROTECTED.
» RIGHT. THE REGION IS EXPERIENCING A WAVE OF GUN
VIOLENCE. IS THERE A REGIONAL CORPORATION, REGIONAL INITIATIVE
THAT’S ACTUALLY IN PLACE WORKING WITH OTHER — TORONTO AND BY
EXTENSION THE RCMP. » YES, THERE IS THAT’S ALWAYS
ONGOING. » [INAUDIBLE].
» SO EVERYTHING WE READ OR A LOT OF THINGS WE READ SAYS THE
BAN ON GUNS DON’T WORK BECAUSE THEY’RE ALL ILLEGAL, ET CETERA
AND THERE’S A LOT OF DISCOURSE, YOU MENTIONED ILLEGAL
IMPORTATION OF ILLEGAL WEAPONS, BUT I HAVEN’T SEEN A LOT OF
DISCOURSE ABOUT WHETHER IT’S POSSIBLE AND WHAT RESOURCES IT
WOULD TAKE AND IT’S OUTSIDE THE TORONTO POLICE SERVICES, OF
COURSE, BUT SINCE WE HAVE YOU HERE I THOUGHT I’D ASK. HAS
THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING ELSE WHETHER IT’S
POSSIBLE TO STOP SIGNIFICANTLY THE IMPORTATION OF ILLEGAL
WEAPONS? » THROUGH MADAM SPEAKER, WHAT I
CAN TELL YOU IS THAT COLLECTIVELY ALL THE AGENCIES,
OPP, CBSA, OURSELVES WITH OUR OWN FIRE ENFORCEMENT UNIT WE’RE
ALL WORKING COLLECTIVE TO TRY TO STEM THE WEAPONS COMING IN FROM
THE UNITED STATES. » I’M NOT SAYING THAT YOU’RE
NOT WORKING HARD AT IT BUT THE OUTCOME SEEMS TO BE NOT THE
OUTCOME THAT WE WANTS. AND I’M JUST — HOW DO WE ACHIEVE THE
OUTCOME THAT WE WANT THAT BEING THE REDUCTION OF THE IMPORTATION
IMPORTATION? STILL GETTING SHOT SO I THINK REASONABLE MAN ON THE
STREET MIGHT SAY YOU’RE TRYING REALLY HARD, ALL OF THESE FOLKS,
THE SERVICES, CUSTOMS, YOU NAME IT,
WORKING VERY HARD BUT NOT MOVING THE NEEDLE IT’S ACTUALLY GOING
THE OTHER WAY. SO WHAT DOES GOVERNMENT NEED TO DO YOU KNOW, IS IT POSSIBLE TO STOP
— IS IT POSSIBLE TO STOP —
THERE’S THE QUESTION. » I DON’T KNOW IF WE’LL EVER
GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT STOPPED.
» [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]. » TO THE POINT WHERE WE’LL
NOTICE IT IN THE CITY? » I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP DOING
WHAT WE’RE DOING AND MAKING SURE WE’RE FOCUSED ON THAT AS A
PRIORITY. » PARDON ME?
» I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE’RE DOING AND FOCUSSING
ENOUGH PRIORITY FOR THAT AS A PRIORITY. WE HAVE — WE HAVE A
GROUP WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION, THE FIREARMS ENFORCEMENT UNIT
THAT ARE WORKING SOLELY ON THAT ENDEAVOR, SO WE HAVE THE
RESOURCES FOCUSED ON IT. » YOU HAVE YOUR RESOURCES
FOCUSED ON IT. MY QUESTION IS I’M JUST TRYING TO ZERO IN ON
LIKE TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED? YOU
SAID YOU’RE FOCUSED ON IT, I GET THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT’S NOT
ENOUGH. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED TO REDUCE THE WEAPONS, WHAT
DOES — AND NOT JUST THE TORONTO POLICE SERVICES, I’M TALKING
WHAT IS YOUR ALL YOUR — ALL OF YOUR TEAM AND
ASSOCIATES, WHAT IS IT THEY NEED TO ACHIEVE — TO MAKE MEASURABLE
ACHIEVEMENTS? » I THINK THE PRIORITY WOULD BE
STRONGER LEGISLATION TO KEEP PEOPLE WHO ARE CHARGED NOT
RELEASED ON BAIL, AND PERHAPS LONGER SENTENCES.
» OKAY. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR GRIMES, YOU WANTED TO
ACKNOWLEDGE — » YES, THANK YOU, MADAM
SPEAKER. A VERY FITTING TOPIC GUN VIOLENCE AND KEEPING OUR
YOUTH OUT OF TROUBLE. SOME VERY SPECIAL YOUTH HERE TODAY DOWN TO
MEET THE MAYOR AT 3:00 TODAY AND I’M SURE INTO COLLEAGUE — IN BOX THEY WENT UNDEFEATED
IN BOX THIS YEAR, THE BEST IN THE PROVINCE 20-0, AND SORRY IN
THE FIELD AND ANOTHER GREAT RECORD COMBINES THIS TEAM WAS 47
AND 3. AND THE BEST IN THE PROVINCE AT
THEIR AGE. CONGRATULATIONS, GUYS.
» [APPLAUSE].. » AND I’D LIKE TO ALSO THE
COACH IS HERE TODAY. SO GREAT JOB WITH THOSE KIDS. ABSOLUTELY
FANTASTIC RECORD FOR THAT TEAM. AND EXCITED. THANK YOU.
» THANK YOU. » COUNCILLOR MCKELVIE.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. JUST A VERY QUICK QUESTION.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF GUNS THAT RESULT IN CRIME [INAUDIBLE] .
» THAT NUMBER HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS BUT ROUGHLY THE
ARGUMENT OR — WHAT WE PUT FORWARD NOW IS THAT IT’S A
NUMBER GREATER THAN 50% THAT’S COMING IN FROM THE UNITED
STATES. » THANK YOU.
» OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT’S IT FOR THE QUESTIONS. WE’LL GO TO
THE SPEAKERS. MAYOR TORY. » THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.
I WANT TO SKETCH OUT A BIT OF THE BACKGROUND. I’M OF COURSE
GOING TO BE SUPPORTING AND I HAVE A MOTION HERE MEANT TO
IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE ASPECTS THAT GO BEYOND 2019, WHICH I
THINK COUNCILLOR CARROLL, A SMALL AMENDMENT OF HER OWN
MOTION WHICH I OF COURSE SUPPORT. I WANT TO NIGHT CONTEXT HOW
ORIGINAL ITEM AND YOUR MOTION TO DO INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITIES
CAME ABOUT. I’VE ALWAYS SAID AND I MAINTAIN THIS POSITION AND
CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT BECAUSE I’VE NEVER BEEN ADVISED
OTHERWISE BY ANY OF THOSE WHO RELY ON FOR ADVISE THAT THERE
ARE 3 PRINCIPLE CATEGORIES THROUGH WHICH WE CAN STEP STEM
GUN VIOLENCE, SUPPORT FOR THE POLICE WHICH THIS $1.5 MILLION
FITS WITHIN, CHANGE LAWS AND MAKE THEM MORE EFFECTIVE WHICH
WE TALK ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF GUN LAWS AND BAILS LAWS AND
OTHERS AND INVESTING IN NEIGHBOURHOODS AND KIDS AND
FAMILIES. » I FELT IT WAS MY
RESPONSIBILITY AS THE ONE PERSON ELECT ACROSS THE CITY AND
HEARING AS I WAS FROM PEOPLE ACROSS THE CITY ABOUT THIS, TO
ASK THE POLICE CHIEF WHICH IS THE FIRST THING DOES ITTED WHAT
ASSISTANCE COULD YOU USE TO HELP YOU TO DEAL WITH THIS VERY ACUTE
SITUATION WE FACE NOW THAT IS LEADING TO AN EXTREMELY ELEVATE
LEVEL OF ANXIETY ON THE PART OF THE PEOPLE IN NEIGHBOURHOODS
ACROSS THE CITY AND WHAT DO YOU NEED. HE CAME BACK AND TOLD ME
HE NEEDED SOME RESOURCES WHICH IN THE END TOTALLED ABOUT $4.5
MILLION AND THE PURPOSES WERE DISCUSSED BY DEPUTY — GUNS AND
GANGS IN PARTICULAR, SPECIALIZED INVESTIGATIONS AN GUNS AND
GANGS, INCREASE THE BAIL, INSPECTIONS AND AN INCREASE
POLICE PRESENCE IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBOURHOODS AND I’VE HEARD
FROM COUNCILOR COLLE, FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN LAWRENCE
HEIGHTS AN OTHER PEOPLE ACROSS THE CITY THEY’VE NOTICED SPEAKER
NUNZIATA HAS MADE MENTION THEY’VE NOTICED THE INCREASED
POLICE PRESENCE AND REASSURED BY IT WHICH WAS VERY IMPORTANT. I
BELIEVE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO IS TRY
AND CALM PEOPLE IN ADDITION TO TAKING SPECIFIC MEASURES TO
ADDRESS THE VIOLENCE WHEN THESE KINDS OF THINGS COME ABOUT. AS
CORRECTLY REPORTED BY THE — FROM DAY IN QUESTION IT SAID
THAT I PLEDGE MONEY AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL, THE CITY WAS
PROVIDED 1.5 MILLION, AND THAT IS AN ACCURATE SUMMATION OF
EXACTLY WHAT OF COURSE I KNEW WAS THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS
AROUND HERE AND IT WOULD BE FOLLOWED AND HERE WE ARE TODAY
ACTUALLY GIVING FORMAL APPROVAL TO THAT BUT IT CONFIDENT ALL THE
WAY THROUGH AS I ALWAYS SAID PUBLICALLY THAT THAT MEASURE,
THAT COMMITMENT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL BECAUSE
THEY KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PROPERLY DONE AND WE COULD
GET ON WITH IT. I FELT I COULDN’T GO TO THE OTHER
GOVERNMENTS AND ASK THEM TO THOUSAND, I THINK IT’S NOT
ROCKET SCIENCE. WE CAN DO IT TOO. SO I — THIS MOTION TO YOU
AND HOPE YOU SUPPORT IT. » THANK YOU. » COUNCILLOR CARROLL.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I HAVE A MOTION WHICH IS AN
AMENDMENT TO THE NOTICE OF MOTION THAT I HAVE INCLUDED IN
THE MAYOR’S KEY ITEM, THAT CITY COUNCIL AMEND RECOMMENDATION 1
OF THAT MOTION BY REPLACING THE 1.29 MILLION WITH .3 MILLION SO
THE RECOMMENDATION READS AS FOLS: INCREASE THE 2019
OPERATING BUDGET FOR SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT FINANCE AND ADMIN TO
IMPLEMENT YEAR ONE OF THE TO WARDS PEACE PROGRAM AND SO ON
AND SO FORTH. I THINK IT’S SELF-EXPLANATORY. WHILE THAT
WAS THE ANNUAL COST. IN MY WORK WITH STAFF IN THE DAY BEFORE
BUDGET TO FIND WHAT WOULD WOULD BE THE PERFECT PROGRAM SO THAT
WE COULD DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WHICH IS BOTH THINGS. I LOOK AT
WHETHER OR NOT WE INVEST IN POLICE AND WHETHER OR NOT WE
INVEST IN THE YOUNG PEOPLE THEMSELVES RIGHT NOW.
SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM. THE REALITY IS I SHARE THE
EXPERIENCE OF COUNCILLOR NUNZIATA. YES, WE KNOW THAT WHAT
COUNCILLOR PERKS SAID FROM THAT STUDY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, YOU
HAVE TO INVEST IN POVERTY REDUCTION AND YOUTH THEMSELVES
TO GET ANY KIND OF CHANGE AT ALL. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE REALITY IS WE’RE NOW AT A POINT WHERE THE PROBLEM IS SO
ACUTE, IN A NEIGHBOURHOOD OF MINE WHERE THEY’VE SEEN 4 MAJOR
SHOOTINGS ONES THAT HIT THE NEWS IN LESS THAN 12 MONTHS AND THE
CHILDREN ARE NOW IN THAT COMPLEX AFRAID TO SLEEP IN THEIR BEDS.
THEY SLEEP ON THE FLOOR BESIDES THEIR MOTHERS, STRAPPING YOUNG
MEN AT 14 SLEEPING ON THE BED — SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR BESIDES
THEIR MOTHER’S BED BECAUSE THEY’RE AFRAID THAT BULLETS WILL
COME THROUGH THE WINDOW. WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE BOTH
STRATEGIES. AND SO THAT’S WHY I’M MOVING THIS. THE .3 IS
BECAUSE WE’RE NOW — WE — WE SPOKE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE
PROGRAM WILL COST WHILE WE WERE DECIDING WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST
PROGRAM TO RECOMMEND, TO COMPLIMENT THIS INFUSION INTO
THE POLICE BUDGET. IN FACT, HERE WE ARE IN OCTOBER. AND SO
300,000 IS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THE HR START UP THAT WILL MAKE
THIS PROGRAM POSSIBLE. THE STATS THAT COUNCILLOR
KARYGIANNIS SHOWED US WITH COMPELLING, HEAVEN KNOWS THEY’RE
COMPELLING, THE PROBLEM IS THEY LEAVE OUT A WHOLE BIG CHUNK OF
THE STORY. WE GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF MAYOR — TIME ALONG
WITH THAT INFUSION IN POLICE FUNDING CAME COMMUNITY POLICING
AND A NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICER AND COMMUNITY OFFICER AND CONNECT
OFFICER. THE THINGS IN OUR VERY OWN TRANSFORMATION TRAFFIC FORCE
THAT ARE NOT THE TRADITIONAL TYPE OF POLICING BUT A LOT OF
THAT WAS PART OF THE ADD IN OFFICERS AND ALONG WITH IT CAME
THE MASSIVE INVESTMENT THAT WENT INTO YOUTH THROUGH THE SCHOOL
BOARDS THAT THERE THE CITY HALL CONTROLS THROUGH THE BROKEN
WINDOW THEORY IMPLEMENTATION THAT SAID ALL ACROSS THE CITY
WHEN YOU GO INTO A NEIGHBOURHOOD ACTION AREA YOU HAVE TO BE —
YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO TAKE THE ACTIONS AND SO BEYOND
POLICING WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER CHARTS THAT SHOW THEY DIDN’T DO
IT WITH POLICING ALONE. FROM 2004, TO NOW, THERE WAS A
PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN INVESTMENT IN YOUTH, INVESTMENT IN SCHOOLS
BECAUSE THEY HAD CONTROL OF IT AND INVESTMENT IN ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT — TOWARDS PEACE PROGRAM INTENDS TO TOUCH ON.
AND THOSE WERE DONE IN COMPLIMENT OF THE MASSIVE
UPDATING UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP OF THEIR POLICE SERVICE. AND SO,
YES, THAT’S A COMPELLING CHART. BUT IF YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH
THE SAME CHART YOU’RE GOING TO NEED TO DO MORE THAN JUST ADDING
TO THE POLICE BUDGET. TALKING ABOUT POLICING IN THAT ACUTE
MOMENT IN THE SUMMER GOT THE EAR OF THE OTHER ORDERS OF
GOVERNMENT FOR THE MAYOR. AND SO HE WAS ABLE TO GET THAT
INVESTMENT. BUT IF WE’RE GOING TO EVERY TIME WE HAVE A VIOLENT
SUMMER ASK OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT TO BRING US — BE I
CALL THEM GIFTS OF VIOLENCE, THEY’RE ALWAYS A SUM OF MONEY
THAT’S TEMPORARY, ONE TIME OR 3 YEARS IN NATURE. AND WHAT KIDS
NEED TO KNOW FROM THE FIRST TIME THEY’RE AWARE OF VIOLENCE IN
THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS,
AND IT NEEDS TO BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME THEY’RE GROWING.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A CORE THAT NEVER GOES AWAY. A CORE THAT
WHEN OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT WANT TO COME AND HOOK IN AND
HELP US THEY CAN ATTACH TO THAT CORE. AND ENHANCE WHAT WE ARE
DOING. WE, WE NEED TO HAVE A CORE HERE THAT WE’RE INVESTING
IN MUNICIPALLY SO THAT WE CAN TAP INTO IT AND WHEN WE NEED TO
ENHANCE IT WE WILL AND THAT’S WHAT TOWARDS PEACE IS ABOUT.
THAT’S WHY THERE ARE MOTIONS ABOUT OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT
WE NEED MORE FROM YOU. BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THAT TOWARDS
PEACE THAT CAN BE THE CORE AND THE COMPLIMENT TO ALL OF IT IT
WILL BE SPOKEN TO IN THAT VEIN WHEN WE SEE THE YOUTH SERVICES
REVIEW IN 2020. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WHAT WE NEEDS TO SAY
THAT ONE WILL ALWAYS BE HERE FOR OUR KIDS.
» THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MATLOW.
» MADAM SPEAKER, I’VE — I’VE ALWAYS SEEN THIS ISSUE OF
THROUGH THE EYES OF BEING A CITY COUNCILLOR, BUT ALSO AS A
PARENT. MY DAUGHTER IS BEING RAISED BY A FAMILY THAT LOVES HER, THAT
SHE HAS EVERY OPPORTUNITIED IN THE WORLD. SHE HAS THE GOOD
FORTUNE OF LIVING IN ONE OF THE SAFEST NEIGHBOURHOODS IN TORONTO
AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF HER. AND I AM SO COGNIZANT OF THE
PRIVILEGE THAT WE HAVE AND SO GRATEFUL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
SHE HAS. AND I WANT HER TO HAVE EVERYTHING. I WANT HER TO HAVE
THE BEST LIFE SHE COULD EVER POSSIBLY HAVE, AND I KNOW WE ALL
FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT OUR KIDS AND PEOPLE WE LOVE IN OUR LIVES.
AND I BELIEVE THAT EVERY CHILD THROUGHOUT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE
THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AS MY DAUGHTER HAS. BUT THAT’S JUST
NOT THE CASE TODAY. AND I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT
POLICY, SHOULD WE NOT LOOK AT POLICY THROUGH THE SAME EYES OF
A PARENT THINKING HOW DO I BOTH PROTECT MY CHILD AND HOW DO I
CONTRIBUTE TO HIS OR HER HAPPINESS? WELL, WE HAVE TO
THINK LOGICALLY AND WE HAVE TO THINK OF, YOU KNOW, EVERY
POSSIBILITY. SO ENFORCEMENT’S IMPORTANT. IF GOD FORBID
ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO HER I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE POLICE
WOULD BE THERE TO SUPPORT US, IT’S HARD TO SAY THAT BUT I KNOW
IT’S TRUE. AND I EXPECT THAT ENFORCEMENT BE DONE WELL,
THOUGHTFUL AND HONEST, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT EVERY CHILD
SHOULD HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY SO THAT THEY’RE NEVER IN A
SITUATION THAT ON THE OTHER ASPECT OF ENFORCEMENT, THAT THEY
ARE FOUND WITH A GUN OR THE PERPETRATOR OF A GUN — OF A
CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF WE LOOK AT WHAT’S ON THE TABLE IN
FRONT OF US, JUST LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, I’VE SEEN DOZENS AND
DOZENS OF STUDIES THAT HAVE DETERMINED THAT WHEN IT COMES TO
CCTV, THEY MAY BE HELPFUL WITH CAR BREAK-INS, BUT THEY DO
LITTLE OR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLENT CRIME. SO I WOULD
JUST ASK UNLESS THERE’S A STUDY THAT I’M UNAWARE OF, THAT
REFUTES WHAT ALL THOSE DOZENS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF STUDIES SUCH AS
THE COLLEGE OF POLICE IN ENGLAND, CITY UNIVERSITY, NEW
YORK, I OBJECT TO CITE SO MANY, IF WE HAVE LIMIT FUNDS, JUST
LOGICALLY, RATIONALLY WHY WOULD WE INVEST IN SOMETHING THAT THERE ISN’T EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT?
WHY WOULD WE DO THAT IF WE AREN’T TAKING THAT SERIOUSLY. I
DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT WE DO KNOW AS COUNCILLOR
PERKS CITED ON THE YOUTH — VIOLENCE REPORT OUR OWN STAFF
WITH THE TORONTO YOUTH EQUITY STRATEGY,
THEY’RE ALL TELLING US THE SAME THING, INVEST IN THESE KIDS
EARLY. DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND PROVIDE
OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES SO THEY LIVE A HAPPY, HEALTHFUL AND
SUCCESSFUL LIFE SO THAT THEY DO NOT BECOME EITHER THE VICTIMS OF
CRIME OR PERPETRATORS OF CRIME SO WE DON’T NEED TO TAKE
PICTURES OF THEM HOLDING A GUN. IS THAT NOT SUCCESS REALLY? IS
THAT NOT WHAT YOU’D WANT FOR YOUR OWN CHILD? MOREOVER, IF WE
REALLY WANT TO INVEST IN THINGS, THEN YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE YOUTH
SPACES THAT I’VE RAISED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT’S NOT MY IDEA
I’M JUST BRINGING VOICE TO THAT IDEA BECAUSE WE HAVE SUPPORT
EVEN IN OUR EXISTING LIAR RATHERS WHERE WE HAVE YOUTH
CONGREGATNG BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE PLACES TO GO. WE’RE NOT
INVESTING IN THAT AND WE ARE INVESTING IN CAMERAS THAT I
DON’T SEE ANY EVIDENCE THAT WORK. I JUST DON’T SEE WHY
WE’RE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. PARAGRAPH PARAGRAPH THE VICTIM OF A CRIME
WE SAY WE’VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING AND WE ASK FOR MORE REPORTS AND
YOU KNOW WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO, THE STUDIES HAVE
ALREADY DONE THE REPORTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN, WE JUST
HAVE TO FOLLOW THEIR ADVICE. I BELIEVE IF WE FOLLOW THEIR
ADVICE WE WILL END UP MAKING THE RIGHT INVESTMENTS. IT’S HARDER
TO PROVE A NEGATIVE THAN A POSITIVE, MEANING THAT WE CAN —
WE CAN MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS WE
HIRE, WE CAN MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT HOW MANY CAMERAS WE PUT
UP, WE CAN DEMONSTRATE TO OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE LIVING IN FEAR
AND I GET WHY WE NEED TO RESPOND TO THAT THAT WE’RE DOING THINGS
AND SHOULD BE DOING THINGS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE RECOGNIZE
THEIR INSECURITY WHICH IS VALID AND REAL. IT’S HARDER TO PROVE FOR
EXAMPLE, THAT — THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT BECOMES A SUCCESSFUL
BUSINESS PERSON OR POLITICIAN OR ATHLETE OR ARTIST, DIDN’T —
WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BECOME A CRIMINAL OR VICTIM OF A CRIMINAL
IF WE HADN’T PROVIDED THEM OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FIRST
PLACE. BUT IN THE LONG-TERM, FOR THE BRIEF MOMENT IN TIME
THAT WE ARE HERE ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, LET’S INVEST IN THE
NEXT GENERATION, THE GENERATION AFTER —
» THANK YOU. » BECAUSE THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE
I BELIEVE WE ALL WANT TO MAKE. THANK YOU. » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I HAVE A BRIEF MOTION. ON THE
SCREEN. SO A WEEK AGO LAST TUESDAY I WAS OUT IN THE WARD THEN I SAW THE
HELICOPTER AND THE HELICOPTER FLYING AROUND ABOUT A KILOMETER
AWAY. THE CENTER IS A PRETTY QUIET PLACE, USUALLY IT’S BAD
NEWS IN THIS CASE IT WAS BAD NEWS. THERE WAS A SHOOTING, A
FATALITY AT THE WEST MALL. IN FACT, JUST A FEW BLOCKS FROM THE
CIVIC CENTER WHERE I WAS A FEW MINUTES AGO.
I GOT HOME AND ASKED MY KIDS BECAUSE SCHOOL’S NEARBY IF THEY
HAD GONE INTO LOCK DOWN BUT THEY DIDN’T THAT DAY BUT A COUPLE
DAYS LATER THEY DID A HOLD AND SECURE EXERCISE AT SCHOOL. AND
YOU KNOW, I GOT TO THINKING THEY DID — THEY ACTUALLY DID A
COUPLE OF LOCK DOWNS THE YEAR BEFORE BECAUSE OF SHOOTINGS IN
THE AREA. YOU KNOW, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT — I WOULD SAY MOST
COUNCILLORS IN THIS CHAMBER, I DON’T THINK EVER HAD TO GO
THROUGH A HOLD AND SECURE EXERCISE AT SCHOOL. MAYBE
THERE’S ONE OR TWO THAT MIGHT BE YOUNG ENOUGH. WE DID FIRE
DRILLS, THAT WAS AN EXCITING THING. BUT MY KIDS, YOU KNOW,
GO THROUGH A DAY AND AGE WHERE IT’S — IT’S A ROUTINE EXERCISE
TO GO AND CLOSE THE DRAPES AND LOCK THE DOOR BECAUSE SOMETHING
REALLY BAD HAPPENED. SO WHEN A HELICOPTER FLIES OVER THE
CENTER, IT REALLY BEGS A PUBLIC CONFIDENCE QUESTION AND I THINK THAT’S THE ANGLE. I REALIZE
IT’S A COMPLEX ISSUE AND A LOT OF TRAGEDY IN GUN VIOLENCE AND
DEATH. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT WHAT GENERAL CITIZENS
THINK ABOUT THEIR GOVERNMENT, WHETHER THEY CARE ABOUT WHICH
ORDER IT IS, AND EVEN THE POLICE FORCE. AND THEY SEE THESE
THINGS AND WORRY ABOUT IT. SO WITH MY MOTION, I’M SURPRISED IT
HASN’T COME UP SO FAR BECAUSE THE LAST QUESTION FROM DEPUTY
MAYOR MINNAN-WONG TO THE DEPUTY CHIEF IS YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU
THINK IS NEEDED. I HOPE WE CAN BE IN ALIGNMENT IN SAYING THAT
WE NEED CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE THAT TAKE THESE ACTIONS AND COME
IN THE FORM OF TOUGHER BAIL CONDITIONS SO THAT SOMEBODY
CAN’T JUST RETURN TO THE STREET AFTER DOING SOMETHING. AND
TOUGHER SENTENCES. I JUST — I DON’T THINK IT’S AN AD HOC
THING. I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT’S THE SENTIMENT OF PEOPLE
THAT I’VE SPOKEN TO, THAT ONE PIECE OF THE EQUATION IS MAKING
SURE THAT THOSE CONSEQUENCES STAY RELEVANT AS THINGS CHANGE
IN THE CITY. AND YOU KNOW, PERHAPS PEOPLE WILL TAKE SOME —
SOME CARE, SOME SENTIMENT, THAT MAYBE A CHANGE IS AFOOT WHEN
THEY SEE HELICOPTERS FLY OR THEIR KIDS COME HOME AND TALK
ABOUT BEING THIS LOCK DOWN FOR DAY. THANK YOU.
» THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FLETCHER. » THANK YOU, SPEAKER. THIS IS
JUST A REALLY TOUGH DEBATE BECAUSE SOME OF US HAVE BEEN
THROUGH THIS DEBATE SO MANY TIMES. HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT SO
MANY TIMES. AND WE STILL ARE HERE DEBATING. WE DO HAVE THAT’S SUPER
IMPORTANT REPORT FROM ROY — AND OTHERS THAT PERHAPS HAS NOT
RECEIVED THE SAME KIND OF ATTENTION THAT IT NEEDS. AND
COULD WE SEE WE’VE IMPLEMENTED THAT THAT WE’RE PORTIONING OUT
FUNDS BOTH WAYS THAT WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT, I’M NOT
SURE THAT WE CAN. AND THAT’S OF CONCERN. I THINK
THE LIST THAT COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM READ, LOOK AT ALL THE
THINGS WE NEED TO DO FOR YOUTH INCLUDING EARLY DIVERSION,
INCLUDING EXPERIENCES, INCLUDING GETTING OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY,
INCLUDING HAVING ALTERNATIVES TO GETTING GANG INVOLVED AND GUN
INVOLVED. HOW WELL ARE WE DOING THERE? THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO
MEASURE. HOW ARE WE MEASURING THAT? WHERE DO WE MEASURE THAT?
HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT SUCCESS? MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WE’VE NOW PUT 9 — I’M GOING TO
SPEAK ABOUT TCHC BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE SO MANY YOUNG FOLKS RUN
INTO SITUATIONS WHERE THEY END UP GANG RELATED, GUN RELATE.
AND WHAT TYPES OF INVESTMENTS, WHAT KIND OF STRATEGY, WHAT KIND
OF METRICS DO WE HAVE? HOW ARE WE ENGAGED TO MAKE SURE THAT
THOSE AREN’T PATHWAYS? AND I DO THINK I’M JUST TALKING ABOUT
YOUR LIST, PATHWAYS TO EDUCATION.
THAT WAS DEVELOPED YEARS AGO AT THE TORONTO DISTRICT SCHOOL
BOARD OUT OF LITTLE — THEN IT WAS APPLIED AT REGENT AND OTHER
PLACES. IT’S A VERY FOCUSED APPROACH FOR YOUTH IN ORDER TO
HELP THEM STAY IN SCHOOL, BE SUCCESSFUL, DEAL WITH THE RACISM
THAT THEY’RE FINDING IN THE INSTITUTIONS, THAT THEY’RE
COMING UP AGAINST AND AGAINST ALL THE TIME TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
HOW WELL IS THAT DOING? HAVE WE INVESTED ENOUGH IN THAT? HAVE
WE SPREAD THAT FAR ENOUGH? AND THIS YEAR WE’VE NOW INVESTING
$9.5 MILLION IN NEW POLICE AND IN NEW CSU AT TCHC. AND WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICERS LET’S BE CLEAR, WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBOURHOOD OFFICERS IN OUR TCHC
COMMUNITIES, WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM IN MY NEIGHBOURHOOD
OR YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD, YOUR — YOU KNOW, COUNCILLOR PERKS RIGHT
DOWN YOUR STREET, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TCHC. SO I HAVE AN ISSUE
WITH THE LACK OF COORDINATION BETWEEN ALL OF THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT APPROACHES. AND THE TENANTS AT TCHC, THE BOARD
MEMBERS OF TCHC ARE KIND OF CONCERNED THAT WE THROW ALL
THESE OFFICERS THERE, THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING,
GETTING TARGETED AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM.
AND THE PIECE THAT’S REALLY MISSING IN MY MIND IS A
COORDINATED APPROACH. I DON’T THINK THERE’S A TENANT
MANAGEMENT APPROACH THAT DEALS WITH THE DIFFICULTY TENANTS.
EVERYBODY’S NOW TREATED THE SAME. EVERYBODY’S BATTED. —
BAD. WHERE IS THE TENANT MANAGEMENT PLAN? WHERE IS THE
COORDINATION? I’M EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED. WHEN I ASKED THE
DEPUTY AND I THINK HE GAVE ME A REALLY HONEST ANSWER, THERE IS
NOBODY SITTING IN A CHAIR THAT WAKES UP EVERY MORNING THAT SAYS
WHERE ARE THE DIFFICULT COMMUNITIES, HOW ARE WE
CONNECTING WITH CSU, THERE’S NOBODY AT TCHC THAT WAKES UP
EVERY MORNING THAT ISN’T AT CSU THAT HAS A MANAGEMENT APPROACH
RATHER THAN SIMPLY WE’RE GOING OUT, FINDING PEOPLE, ARRESTING
THEM, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT ARE WE DOING IN A
BROADER WAY FOR YOU. I HAVE A NUMBER OF LETTERS I’D
REALLY LIKE TO READ TO YOU FROM A SHOOTING ON THE WEEKEND TOO IN
THE FIRST REVITALIZED COMMUNITY ONE ON FRIDAY, ONE ON SUNDAY AND
THEY LIST ALL THE SHOOTINGS IN THAT COMMUNITY OVER AND OVER AND
OVER AGAIN. WE HAVE THROWN EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY HAVE,
WE’VE TRIED A LOT, BUT IT’S VERY FRAGMENTED, THERE IS NO OVERARCH
OVERARCHING PLAN OF TENANT MANAGEMENT, YOUTH DEVELOPMENT
AND LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WORKS TOGETHER IN ANY COMMUNITY. AND
I THINK IT’S OUR FAILING. » THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR FORD I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD LIKE TO DECLARE A CONFLICT
ON WELFARE YOUR ITEMS. » YES, MADAM SPEAKER I COULD DO
IT NOW OR AFTER VOTING WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE OR —
» YOU CAN — » NOW IS FINE. OKAY, NOT A
PROBLEM. SO YES, AFTER FURTHER
CONVERSATION WITH THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER, I WOULD JUST LIKE
TO DECLARE A CONFLICT ON PAGE 14 OF THE AGENDA MM 10.5, OBSERVATION TO LIQUOR
LICENSE PHASE 2 RESTAURANT 1,500 YORK ROAD AS — FAMILY PROPERTY
IN THE IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY TO THE APPLICANT.
» OKAY. THANK YOU.
OKAY. WE’RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON IS
THE EX 8.20. FIRST MOTION IS MOTION 2. RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR FILION, PLEASE. COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, PLEASE. COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, YOUR VOTE,
PLEASE. THE MOTION CARRIES 21-3.
» OKAY. MOTION 4. BY COUNCILLOR COLLE. RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR, THOMPSON, PLEASE. » COUNCILLOR CARROLL, PLEASE. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY
24 IN FAVOR. » MOTION 5. RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR BRADFORD, PLEASE.
COUNCILLOR FLETCHER YOUR VOTE, PLEASE.
» COUNCILLOR COLLE, PLEASE. AND COUNCILLOR CARROLL, PLEASE. COUNCILLOR COLLE, PLEASE. THE MOTION CARRES 23-2.
» MOTION 8. RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR MATLOW AND
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS, PLEASE. » AND COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM,
PLEASE. THE MOTION CARRIES 22-3. » EX 8.20 AS AMENDED.
RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR, PERRUZZA, PLEASE. » IT’S THE ITEM AS AMENDED. » [OFF MIC].
» IT’S NOT ON THIS ITEM. .
» THE ITEM IS ADOPTED AS AMENDED 23-2. » 8.26. MOTION NUMBER 1. RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS,
PLEASE. » MAYOR TORY, PLEASE. » THE AMENDMENT CARRIES
UNANIMOUSLY 25 IN FAVOR. » MOTION 3, RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR LAYTON, AND
COUNCILLOR THOMPSON, PLEASE. » COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, PLEASE. » THE MOTION CARRIES
UNANIMOUSLY 25 IN FAVOR. » MOTION 6. RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR, CARROLL, PLEASE. .
» MOTION CARRIES 24-1. » EX — .26 AS AMENDED,
RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR MATLOW, COUNCILLOR
KARYGIANNIS AND COUNCILLOR LAYTON, PLEASE. » COUNCILLOR COLLE, PLEASE.
AND COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, PLEASE. » THE ITEM CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY
25 IN FAVOR. » MM 10.2. MOTION 7.
RECORDED VOTE. » [OFF MIC].
» PARDON? WHICH MM? » [OFF MIC].
» RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR LAYTON AND
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE, PLEASE. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, PLEASE.
» THE AMENDMENT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY 25 IN FAVOR.
» OKAY. ITEM AS AMENDED RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR LAYTON AND
COUNCILLOR CRESSY. » COUNCILLOR CARROLL, PLEASE. .
» THE ITEM AS AMENDED CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY 25 IN FAVOR.
» PAGE 3 EX 8.3, COUNCILLOR LAYTON, ARE YOU READY?
» [OFF MIC] JUST TO HOLD DOWN THE ITEM UNTIL
I CAN GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM SENIOR CITY STAFF ON THE MATTER.
I HAVE A MOTION THAT I’VE SENT THEM THAT THEY’RE ABOUT TO GIVE
ME ADVICE ON. » OKAY PAGE 3 EX 8.7,
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM. » JUST TO SPEAK MADAM SPEAKER.
» OKAY, GO AHEAD. » ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR —
» DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? » I DON’T.
» DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, OKAY.
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM TO SPEAK. » YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I
JUST WANT TO RISE AND THANK THE STAFF FOR THIS REPORT. THIS IS
A VERY IMPORTANT NEXT STEP TO DEAL OFFING A DEEPER
UNDERSTANDING AT THE CITY OF TORONTO ON HOW TO BRING THE
EXPERIENCES OF WOMEN AND GIRLS NONE-BINARY AND MAKE SURE WHEN
WE MAKE DECISIONS WILL HOPEFULLY INCLUDE THEIR LIVED EXPERIENCE
FAR BETTER THAN WHAT WE’RE DOING RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO THANK THE
MAYOR FOR HIS REMARKS AND HIS LEDDER SHIP AT THE EXECUTIVE
COMMITTEE BECAUSE I THINK HE REALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
IN TERMS OF DESCRIBING WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND HOW
THAT WAS ALSO A SHOWCASE OF THAT LEADERSHIP AND THE CITY OF
TORONTO IS LITERALLY FOLLOWING ALONG. BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO
BE LIKE ANY OTHER CITY, WE’RE GOING TO DO IT OUR WAY AND I
THINK THAT THAT’S REALLY QUITE ENCOURAGING. TO DEAL OF A
GENDER EQUITY STRATEGY AND BRING OUT A GENDER EQUALITY OFFICE,
MAYBE WE’LL START WITH A UNIT FIRST BUT HOPEFULLY ONE DAY
WE’LL GET TO THAT OFFICE. WE’LL HAVE TO INVOLVE A NUMBER OF KEY
PRINCIPALS. ALTHOUGH OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO DRIVE TOWARDS
GENDER EQUALITY. THEY DO IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY. WE KNOW
IT’S NOT THE FIRST TIME IT’S BEEN DONE IN OTHER
JURISDICTIONS, DONE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ALL IN THE PURSUIT OF
MAKING SURE THAT WOMEN AND GIRLS, TRANS PEOPLE AND
NON–BINARY PEOPLE. WE ALSO SEE THAT AMERICAN CITIES ARE
PURSUING THE SAME THING. WE’RE TRYING TO PLACE WOMEN AND GIRLS
BACK ONTO THE URBAN AGENDA CITIES SUCH AS LA OUT, NEW YORK,
BOSTON AND OTHERS AND OFTEN TIME DRIVEN THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP OF
THEIR MAYOR OR PERHAPS CITY MANAGER, BUT IT HAS TO BE AT THE
TOP LEVEL OF POLITICAL SUPPORT. AND OF COURSE THE — WHAT WE
ALWAYS SEEN THAT THE BEST STANDARD OF ALL IS IN — WHICH
HAS BEEN IN PURSUIT OF GENDER EQUALITY IN THEIR CITY FOR
DECADES. SO WE HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK
STAFF OR THIS PARTICULAR BODY OF WORK. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST
3 THINGS ALTHOUGH EVERY JURISDICTION IS GOING TO DO
THINGS DIFFERENTLY. ONE OF STAFF INCLUSION IS GOT TO BE 3
FUNDAMENTAL PIECES IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK FOR THE CITY OF
TORONTO AND THEY’VE DRAWN ON BEST PRACTICES THAT YOU HAVE TO
INCORPORATE A CONSULTATION PROCESS THAT’S GOING TO INVOLVE
THE COMMUNITY VOICES TO SET THE PRIORITIES. SO WE CANNOT DO
THIS FOR THE POPULATIONS THAT WE WANT TO SERVE, WE’VE GOT TO DO
IT WITH THEIR CONSULTATION, WITH THEIR DEEP ENGAGEMENT IF MIND.
WE NEED TO DEAL OF AN OUTCOME BASED FRAMEWORK. SO WE NEED TO
BE ABLE TO MEASURE WHERE WE’RE GOING AND WE WON’T KNOW THAT IF
WE DON’T KNOW WHERE WE ARE STARTING AT. SO THE
ENVIRONMENTAL SCAN WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE A VERY STRONG
DISAGGREGATED DATA COLLECTION FRAMEWORK WHICH I WOULD SAY THE
CITY OF TORONTO IS STILL STRUGGLING TO DO VERY WELL. AND
THIS IS ALL ABOUT BENCH MARKING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN
MEASURE OUTCOMES AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND WE WON’T BE ABLE
TO DO THAT WITHOUT A VERY ROBUST, SOPHISTICATED DATA
COLLECTION PROCESS INCLUDING VERY CLEAR REPORTING THAT WAS
GOING TO BE FRAMED ON ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.
AND FINALLY THERE IS NO SOLID WAY OF DOING THIS WORK ON
PROMOTING GENDER EQUALITY AT THE CITY OF TORONTO UNLESS YOU CAN
DEDICATE STAFF RESOURCES TO IT WHICH IS WHY IT’S CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY HIRE THE TECHNICAL
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO HAVE THEM IN
PLACE TO BEGIN THIS DEEP DIVE IN 2020. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A
FEW THINGS BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT’S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GROUND
THIS INTO SOME PRACTICE. 84% OF SINGLE PART HOUSEHOLDS IN THE
CITY OF TORONTO, 84% OF THEM ARE LED BY WOMEN. 60% OF TRANSIT
USERS ARE WOMEN, THEY’RE THE MAJORITY. MOST OF THE DRIVERS
ARE PEN. WHEN IT COMES TO POPULATIONS OF WHO ARE SITTING
IN THE SENIOR CATEGORY, 65 AND OLDER, YOU HAVE ALMOST 60% THAT
ARE WOMEN. SO YOU END UP HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE VULNERABLE,
WHO ARE ROAD USERS, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION USERS YOU’RE
GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE WHICH OFTENTIMES
MEANS THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN IN THOSE SINGLE LED FAMILY
HOUSEHOLDS WHICH MEANS THAT CHILDREN ARE IMPOVERISHED. AND WHEN YOU TAKE
A LOOK AT PAY EQUITY AND THE INCOME GAPS, WE KNOW THAT 78% OF WOMEN IS WHAT — SO 78 —
$0.78 ON THE MALE DOLLAR IS WHAT WOMEN EARN.
SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT MOVE. I’M VERY PROUD THAT WE’RE
DOING THIS AND I’M VERY — I’M HOPING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET
A GOOD SOLID VOTE AND MAKE IT UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
» THANK YOU. OKAY ON THE ITEM RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS,
PLEASE, COUNCILLOR BAILÃO WHEN YOU’RE SEATED. » THE ITEM IS ADOPTED
UNANIMOUSLY 19 IN FAVOR. » THANK YOU.
PAGE 3 EX 8.9, COUNCILLOR THOMPSON. QUESTIONS.
» SPEAKER, I’D ASK FOR IT TO BE —
» OH, THAT’S TOMORROW, OKAY. COUNCILLOR CARROLL IS NOT HERE. PAGE 4. EX 8.14, COUNCILLOR PERKS. QUESTIONS COUNCILLOR PERKS.
» THANK YOU. TO THE CFO, I GUESS, THERE SEEMS TO BE — NOT AVAILABLE YET. OKAY, THANK YOU.
SO I’M LOOKING AT THE OPERATING VARIANCE REPORT, I’M LOOKING AT
PAGE 5 SPECIFICALLY I’M CONCERNED WITH THE LOWER THAN PLANNED LABOUR COSTS
IN MUNICIPAL LICENSING AND STANDARDS. CAN YOU GIVE ME A
SENSE WHY OUR LABOUR COSTS ARE LOWER THAN PLANNED IN MUNICIPAL
LICENSING AND STANDARDS? » [OFF MIC] .
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, COUNCILLOR, I WAS SPEAKING ON
ANOTHER MATTER. » SPEAKER I LOST LIKE A MINUTE
TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. SO ON PAGE 5 OF THE
OPERATING — » I STARTED YOUR TIME OVER.
» THANK YOU SO MUCH. ON PAGE 5 IT LOOKS — THIS IS A
TABLE THAT LOOKS AT THE QUARTER — SECOND QUARTER VARIANCE AND
YEAR END PROJECTION KEY DRIVERS AND THERE’S 8.8 MILLION NET
FAVORABLE FOR MLS AND ONE OF THE ITEMS LISTED FOR THAT IS LOWER
THAN PLANNED LABOUR COSTS. » RIGHT.
» WHY DO WE HAVE LOWER THAN PLANNED LABOUR COSTS.
» THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN MLS ON THE HIRING
OF MSOs WHICH REPRESENT THE LARGEST VOLUME OF STAFF
COMPLIMENT. TYPICALLY WE HIRE IN A CLASS. IT TAKES ABOUT —
WE GET ABOUT 30 TO 40 PEOPLE AND IT TAKES A GOOD CHUNK OF THE
YEAR TO GET THROUGH THE VETTING BECAUSE WE HAVE THOUSAND PLUS
APPLICANTS. SO IT HAS BEEN A HISTORY OF RUNNING THE CLASS AND
THE TIME IT TAKES TO HIRE THE CLASS.
» OKAY. SO GIVEN THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A HISTORY
WITH, AND GIVEN THAT I’M PRETTY SURE YOU COULD ASK ANY MEMBER OF
THIS COUNCIL OR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO’S TRIED TO DEAL
WITH MLS, WE HAVE PROBLEMS PROVIDING ENFORCEMENT TO A
STANDARD THAT WE APPROVE HERE AT COUNCIL, WHAT’S THE PLAN OR
MAKING SURE THAT WE DON’T CONTINUALLY LOWER THAN APPROVED
COMPLIMENT IN ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AT MLS?
» SO THROUGH YOU, MATTED DAM SPEAKER, CERTAINLY THE
RECRUITMENT AND EXPEDITING THE RECRUITMENT HAS BEEN AN ACTIVITY
WE’VE UNDERTAKEN — MLS HAS UNDERTAKEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE
CAN HAVE YEARS LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES AND SMALLER
CLASSES AND MORE FREQUENT TRAINING. I WOULD SAY NOT
HAVING THEM IN FRONT OF ME UNFORTUNATELY I APOLOGIZE FOR
THAT. CERTAINLY I THINK SOME OF THE SERVICE LEVELS WE DO RETAIN
OTHERS WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH, THAT IS NOT ONLY RELATED TO
STAFFING BUT ALSO INCREASED VOLUMES IN SOME DIFFERENT
CATEGORIES. » OKAY.
» SO IT’S DEFINITELY ACROSS THE BOARD A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.
» WELL, I’VE HEARD YOU THAT YOU’RE TRYING THINGS BUT AS YOU
SAID, YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND
PERSISTS. CAN YOU UNDERTAKE TO GET TO ME AND ANY OTHER MEMBER
INTEREST MEMBER OF COUNCIL — » HAPPY TO DO SO. I KNOW WHEN
WE DID TALK ABOUT TAKING SMALLER CLASSES, AND IT TAKES A FAIR BIT
OF TRAINING TIME AS WELL, BUT CERTAINLY FIND WAYS TO EXPEDITE
THE LARGER VOLUMES OF VACANCIES, HAPPY TO DO THAT.
» OKAY. GOING TO PAGE 11, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TTC,
BUT I DON’T SEE ANYBODY HERE FROM THE TTC. LOOKING AT THE APPROVED COMPLIMENT AND STRENGTH
COMPARISONS TABLE, BELOW THE TABLE IT SAYS A VACANCY RATE OF
4 TO 6% IS DEEMED REASONABLE, AND IT’S PROJECTING A YEAR END
VACANCY RATE OF 13% IN CORPORATE SERVICES. WHAT’S THAT ABOUT? I DID EMAIL STAFF MY QUESTIONS.
» YEAH, SO THE CORPORATE SERVICES — SORRY, THROUGH THE
CHAIR, THROUGH THE SPEAKER, THE CORPORATE SERVICES 13% A LOT OF
THAT IS RELATED TO CAPITAL POSITIONS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED
AS WELL AS SOME FRONT LINE POSITIONS AS WELL THAT ARE
CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE HIRING PROCESS.
» SO I’VE HEARD MANY TIMES, ACTUALLY I WAS JUST AT THE
LIBRARY BOARD LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL PLAN I’VE HEARD THAT WE
DON’T HAVE THE STAFF TO DELIVER CAPITAL EVEN IF WE WANTED TO,
WHAT’S THE STRATEGY FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE STAFF
FOR DELIVERING CAPITAL PROGRAM? » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, SO THOSE
WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THE DIFFERENT CAPITAL PROGRAMS THAT
ARE BEING DELIVERED. SO THE SKILL SETS WILL RANGE AND VARY
DEPENDING ON THE TYPES OF POSITIONS AND CORPORATE SERVICES
SPECIFICALLY THERE’S A LOT CAPITAL POSITION IS RELATED TO
CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS INT INITIATIVES.
» I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT’S THE PLAN FOR MAKING SURE THAT
WE’RE NOT MISSING A 6TH OF THE WORKFORCE? » SO AS OF RIGHT NOW WE’RE
LOOKING AT DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, COMPARE BENCH MARKING AGAINST
INDUSTRY TO SEE THE TYPES OF SKILL SETS THAT WE HAVE IN-HOUSE
VERSUS THE WAY WE GO TO MARKET IN TERMS OF HIRING STAFF.
» OKAY. SO AGAIN, AS I ASKED DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, WOULD
SOMEONE BE WILLING TO PROVIDE ME AN EXPLANATION FOR WHAT THE PLAN
IS TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN’T PERSIST?
» WE WILL. » MAYBE BEFORE THE NEXT
VARIANCE. AND THEN SORT OF LOOKING AT THE
WHOLE CHART I NOTE — AND THIS IS SOMETHING I NOTICE EVERY
SINGLE YEAR WHEN WE GET OUR MID-YEAR VACANT — OR VARIANCE REPORT.
THE VACANCY REPORT — VACANCY RATE AS OF THE WRITING
OF THIS REPORT WAS 6%. AND IT’S PROJECTED TO GO DOWN TO 3.7.
THIS IS CORPORATE LIVE. AND I IN THES EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE YEAR WE’RE WAY DOWN POSITIONS CORPORATE WIDE.
NOW, WE DON’T APPROVE A WHOLE LOCALITY OF BRAND NEW POSITIONS
IN THE BUDGET CYCLE. SO CLEARLY THESE ARE POSITIONS WE KNEW WE
WERE GOING TO HAVE, WHY IS IT THAT EVERY YEAR IN MID-YEAR,
VACANCY RATE IS HIGHER THAN WHAT WE CONSIDERED TO BE REASONABLE
CORPORATE WIDE? » THAT WAS YOUR LAST QUESTION.
» THROUGH YOU, MS. SPEAKER, COUNCILLOR PERKS, I THINK YOU
CAN APPRECIATE THAT THE BUDGET CYCLE, THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DONE
IN THE PAST — THE BUDGET AMOUNT IS BASED ON
FULL VACANT OR FULL COMPLIMENT AS OF JANUARY 1ST AND THE
BUDGETS ARE APPROVED IN THE SPRING. SO THE WAY WE’VE
APPROACHED BUDGETING IN THE PAST IS SOMETHING THAT WE’RE
REVISITING FOR 2020. » THANK YOU. SO COUNCILLOR PERKS.
» YES. » RELEASE THE ITEM?
» NO, I’M GOING TO SPEAK. » OKAY, GO AHEAD.
» SO I BELIEVE IT WAS THE YEAR 2008, WHEN I FIRST RAISED THE
CERTAIN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE HIRING ADEQUATE ENGINEERING
STAFF TO MANAGE CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE HAD PROJECTS THAT
WERE BEING DELAYED BECAUSE WE DIDN’T HAVE STAFF IN HOUSE. WE
DEVELOPED A PRACTICE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND — BECAUSE WE
COULDN’T FIND PEOPLE INTERNALLY WE WOULD HIRE CONTRACT MANAGERS
TO MANAGE CONTRACTS. AND THEN WE WOULD RUN INTO THE PROBLEM OF
THE — IF THE PROJECT FELL BEHIND IT’S THE EXTERNAL
CONTRACT MANAGER THAT WE CONTRACTED WOULD SAY IT’S THE
CONTRACTOR’S FAULT AND THE CONTRACTOR WOULD SAY IT’S THE
EXTERNAL CONTRACT MANAGER’S FAULT. THIS IS AN 11-YEAR
PROBLEM OF US NOT BEING ABLE TO HIRE STAFF WITH THE ADEQUATE
SKILL SET TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE CAPITAL PROGRAMS. I’VE ASKED
ABOUT IT EVERY YEAR. I’VE ASKED STAFF TO GENERATE REPORTS ON IT.
I’VE MET WITH 3 CONSECUTIVE DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS WHO MANAGE
THAT PROGRAM, AND I CONTINUE TO BE TOLD WE’RE THINKING ABOUT IT. WE HAVE BUDGETS PROJECTING THAT
OUR STATE OF GOOD REPAIR BACKLOG IS GOING TO GROW WHICH MEANS
THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO BE BROKEN AND UNUSABLE, AND THAT
COSTS US MONEY. WE ARE WASTING PUBLIC MONEY BECAUSE WE JUST
DON’T SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. AND I’M GOING TO TURN BLUE IN THE
FACE BEFORE IT GETS SOLVED, BUT I’M WILLING TO DO THAT. » ON THE ITEM ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. PAGE 4 EX 8.22. COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, YOU HAVE
QUESTIONS? PAGE 4.
» I’M JUST TURNING TO IT MADAM SPEAKER. OH, NO, I DON’T, BUT I
COULD SPEAK TO IT. » OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS? OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?
» YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALIZE THAT THIS IS A PASS
THROUGH REQUEST COMING FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT I DID
WANT TO FLAG THIS BECAUSE WE HAD ASKED OR A VERY SIMILAR THING
DURING OUR LAST BUDGET PROCESS. AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY JUST TO
HIGHLIGHT THAT, FOR THE DIVISIONS WHO ARE — TO MAKE
ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE WHO ARE EMPLOYED IN THE TORONTO PUBLIC
SERVICE, ANY TYPE OF AODA ACCOMMODATIONS WHETHER IT’S
THROUGH TECHNOLOGY OR PERHAPS SPECIAL EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIONS
WITH DESKS AND EQUIPMENTS IT HAS TO COME OUT OF THE DIVISION’S
BUDGET. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT ACTUALLY BUILDS AN INHERENT
BIAS FOR THE DIVISIONS WHETHER THEY KNOW IT OR NOT IS THAT
HIRING PEOPLE WITH A DISABILITY MEANS THAT IT WOULD JUST COST
THAT DIVISION A LITTLE BIT EXTRA. AND SO MADAM SPEAKER,
WHAT OUR COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING THAT ANY
ACCOMMODATIONS FOR AODA REQUIREMENTS SHOULD COME OUT OF
A GLOBAL BUDGET, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS BEFORE US.
SO IF WE WANT TO DRAW FROM THE GLOBAL BUDGET TO PROVIDE SIGN
LANGUAGE INTERPRETATION, PROVIDE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS FOR OUR
PUBLIC MEETINGS WE’RE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT DRAWING FROM OUR
OFFICE BUDGETS. ALTHOUGH THE NOT PASS IN THE 2019 BUDGET IT
IS OUR COMMITTEE’S HOPE, OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE’S HOPE THAT
IN THE 2020 BUDGET IS THAT WE’RE ABLE TO SET FORWARD A GLOBAL POT
WHERE ALL THE DIVISIONS ACROSS THE CITY OF TORONTO CAN DRAW
FROM THAT POT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO BE
ACCOMMODATED FROM THAT GLOBAL BUDGET. IT’S NO DIFFERENT,
MADAM SPEAKER THAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO
GO ON MATERNITY OR PATERNITY LEAVE, AND THAT THAT DIVISION
HAD TO PAY SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE EXTRA DOLLARS. THAT WOULD
BE GROSSLY UNFAIR. IT WILL ALSO DISADVANTAGE ANYBODY WHO WANTED
TO HAVE CHILDREN. AND THAT’S KIND OF THE SYSTEM THAT’S BEEN
SETUP AT THE CITY OF TORONTO AT THE MOMENT WHERE THE DIVISIONS
WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF THEIR OWN DIVISIONAL BUDGETS TO
PROVIDE ACCOMMODATIONS. AND SO FOR THE EMPLOYEES IN THE TORONTO
PUBLIC SERVICE THEY HAVE RAISED THIS CERTAIN WITH OUR COMMITTEE
AND OUR COMMITTEE IS ONCE AGAIN TABLING THIS SENTENCED HOPING
THAT THROUGH THE 2020 BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE CAN MAKE THE
RIGHT MOVE AND A MOVE THAT IS ACTUALLY BEING BACKED BY THROUGH
THE ALDA AND A MOVE THAT ACTUALLY SITS AND EMBED IN THE
ONTARIO HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION AROUND A POLICY BASED ON ABLEI’M
AND DISCRIMINATION BASED ON DISABILITY IT’S A SECTION 9.3
MINIMIZING UNDUE HARDSHIP. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY BASED ON HUMAN
RIGHTS LAW, IT’S BASED ON ALDA ACCOMMODATION IN THIS
LEGISLATION AND WE’RE REALLY HOPING THAT IN THE 2020 BUDGET
WE MAKE THIS FIXED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
» THANK YOU. ON THE ITEM ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. PAGE 5. COUNCILLOR CARROLL IS
NOT HERE, COUNCILLOR FLETCHER. COUNCILLOR FLETCHER. I JUST WANT TO REMIND MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL IF YOU’VE HELD ITEMS DOWN IT WOULD BE GREATLY
APPRECIATED IF YOU’RE SITTING AT YOUR SEAT. COUNCILLOR PERKS. PAGE 5. EC 7.10. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS,
COUNCILLOR PERKS? » NO. I DON’T KNOW IF ANYONE
ELSE DOES. » DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS? THIS IS THE — RECOMMENDATION ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY, COUNCILLOR PERKS TO SPEAK. » I WON’T TAKE MUCH TIME,
SPEAKER. I’D HOPE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE
BUT AS I SAID WE’RE GOING THROUGH THESE ITEMS VERY
QUICKLY. I ENCOURAGE EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL TO READ THESE
REPORTS. THEY’RE ABOUT THE KINDS OF GAPS THAT WE HAVE AS A
CITY AND THE SERVICES WE DELIVER THAT RESULT IN PEOPLE DYING. IN THE WORST CIRCUMSTANCES YOU
COULD IMAGINE. THERE ARE MANY, MANY RECOMMENDATIONS HERE, MANY
OF THEM HAVE — ARE FOR OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT BUT SEVERAL
THAT ARE SPECIFIC FOR THE CITY OF TORONTO AND IF I COULD SUM
THEM UP IN JUST ONE PHRASE IT’S THAT OUR — OUR HOUSING AND
SOCIAL SUPPORT NET IS FRAYED AND PEOPLE ARE FALLING THROUGH AND
DYING. AND I AM HOPING THAT ALL OF US
PARTICULARLY CITY STAFF AS THEY PREPARE OR 2020 BUDGET HAVE
GIVEN THESE A VERY GOOD READ. I DO NOT WANT TO CONTINUE TO SIT
ON A COUNCIL WHERE WE LET PEOPLE DIE IN ALLEYS BECAUSE WE’RE NOT
DOING OUR JOB. AND I JUST FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT.
IT’S QUITE HARROWING READING THESE
REPORTS. ALL THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE DELIVER HAVE A
ROLE TO PLAY HERE AND WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. WE SHOULD
NOT IN ONE OF THE BEST PLACES TO LIVE IN THE WORLD AT ONE OF THE
WEALTHIEST TIMES IN HUMAN HISTORY EVER HAVE THESE KINDS OF
PROBLEMS IN FRONT OF US. » ON THE ITEM ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. SORRY I’M NOT LAUGHING AT YOU,
COUNCILLOR PERKS. COUNCILLOR FLETCHER, DO YOU HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS? » NO, SPEAKER. I HAD THEM
ANSWERED ACTUALLY. MR. — AND MR. — CAME UP TO THE MEMBERS
LOUNGE WITH ME EARLIER AND WAS KIND ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN TO ME
ABOUT THIS SOLE SOURCE. AND HOW AND WHY AND UNDER WHAT
CIRCUMSTANCES THE CITY WOULD BE SOLE SOURCING CONTRACTS. SO
THIS IS A SOLE SOURCE CALLED NON-COMPETITIVE AGREEMENT BUT I
UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAS TO BE DONE. AND I’M SATISFIED HERE.
SO I CAN SIMPLY MOVE THAT. » OKAY. THANK YOU. ON THE ITEM, THIS IS ON PAGE 5
EC 7.2, ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. SO WE’RE MOVING ALONG QUITE
QUICKLY HERE. PAGE —
» [OFF MIC]. » PARDON?
» [OFF MIC]. » YEAH, BUT THE FIRST ONE IS —
THE FIRST ONE IS COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY.
» [OFF MIC]. » PAGE 6.
» THANK YOU. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, MADAM SPEAKER UNLESS
SOMEBODY ELSE DOES. » DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS? NO. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY.
» I DO HAVE A MOTION AND I’LL EXPLAIN TO MEMBERS WHAT THIS IS.
SO AT GOVERNMENT AND LICENSING COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE REPLACED A
NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF. THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS
EFFECTIVELY SAID THAT THE CITY WILL NO LONGER ISSUE LICENSES
FOR PAYDAY LOANS. THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE STAFF WERE
PROVIDING, HOWEVER, THIS PARTICULAR MOTION WAS DELETED.
THIS PARTICULAR MOTION WAS PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS,
AND I WOULD LIKE TO READD IT. I BELIEVE IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE
SPIRIT OF THE OUTCOME OF THE COMMITTEE’S RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALL IT SIMPLY DOES IS ALLOW FOR THE FEES TO ESCALATE OVER TIME
THAT ARE CHARGED TO THE PAYDAY LOANS. I THINK IT WAS JUST AN
OVERSIGHT OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WE DIDN’T CATCH THIS PIECE WAS
MISSING. ALTHOUGH I HAD SOME CONCERNS
WITH THE WAY THAT WE ARRIVED AT THE POLICY OUTCOME OF THE
COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE THAT THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE POLICY IS
STILL THERE BEFORE US, AND WOULD URGE MEMBERS TO SUPPORT THE
ADDITION OF THE ORIGINAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION WHICH IS
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 4, IF YOU HAVE THE REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU,
THIS MOTION WAS LIFTED DIRECTLY FROM IT AND IS SOMETHING THAT IS
MEET TODAY CORRECT IT. OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD BE
VOTING AGAINST ONE OF THE ITEMS, THIS IS PERSONALLY WHERE WE CALL
UPON THE PROVINCE TO SET A CAP ON THE INTEREST RATE OF PAYDAY
LOAN ESTABLISHMENTS OF 30%, THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE
COMMITTEE, NOT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I WILL PUT TO
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT ALTHOUGH I HARBOUR GREAT CONCERNS AS MANY PEOPLE DO
WITH THE WAY THAT PAYDAY LOAN ESTABLISH THEMENTES PROVIDE
SERVICES AND HOW EXPENSIVE THE INTEREST RATES ARE, I DO BELIEVE
THAT A FIXED INTEREST RATE AS SUGGESTED BY THE COMMITTEE IS
SOMETHING THAT IS — THAT WOULD CEASE THE
OPERATION OF THE PAYDAY LOANS IF IT HAPPENED. AND I WOULD GIVE
THE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT IF THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS WERE TO CLOSE, IT
DOESN’T GET RID OF THE MEET OF SOME PEOPLE TO GET SHORT-TERM
LOANS, LOW VALUE LOANS. AND THE FEAR IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD THEN
TURN TO THE UNDERGROUND OR UNREGULATED PLACES TO GET THAT
TYPE OF MONEY. AND I’M NOT SURE IF WE’RE ACTING IN THE BEST
INTEREST THAT WAY. SO I’M GOING TO ASK TO VOTE ON THAT
PARTICULAR ITEM SEPARATELY. AND I DO HOPE COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE
READDITION OF THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT’S
IMPORTANT AND WAS MISSED FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS GOING
FORWARD. THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM.
» YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER. I WOULD
ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS COMING FROM COMMITTEE. THEY WERE LARGELY
INFORMED BY WAY OF A COMBINATION OF THE
STAFF REPORT, BUT ALSO I THINK VERY STRONG AMENDMENTS THAT CAME
FROM MEMBERS OF ACORN, AN ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN AROUND FOR
A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT SPECIFICALLY WORKED TO SUPPORT
MEMBERS THAT ARE LOW INCOME ACROSS THE CITY. AND THEY DO
SO, MADAM SPEAKER IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE LOW INCOME
MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS ACROSS THE CITY ARE UNDULY TARGETED BY
THESE LENDERS AND THESE LENDERS GO INTO NEIGHBOURHOODS
ESPECIALLY NEIGHBOURHOODS THAT ARE LOW INCOME AND THEY CREATE
AN ECOSYSTEM AND A CHAIN THAT SORT OF WRAP AROUND EACH OTHER
IN NEIGHBOURHOODS AS SORT OF FORCE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LIVING
CHECK TO CHECK AND WHO ARE WORKING FOR WAGES WHO NEED TO
MAKE ENDS MEET, BUT THEY’RE ALSO CHARGED FEES. AND IF YOU RECALL
IT’S YOUR OWN LEADERSHIP GOING BACK IN THE EARLY 2010 OR 2012
THAT WAS ASKING FOR ALMOST A DECADE NOW, ALMOST A DECADE OF
ADVOCACY TO TRY TO REGULATE AND PROVIDE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ON
HOW THESE BUSINESSES SHOULD PERFORM. AND THEN IN 2016,
MADAM SPEAKER YOU AND I TEAMED UP AGAIN AND SAID WE WANTED TO
SEE ACTION ON A STAFF REPORT THAT WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
SO THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN WAITING A VERY LONG TIME. AND I
THINK THAT IT’S ACTUALLY — IT’S IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE IS
THAT A DECADE HAS ALMOST GONE BY SINCE THEIR WORK HAS — SINCE
THEY’VE BEEN ADVOCATNG FOR SOME OF THESE CHANGES AROUND MINIMUM
SEPARATION DISTANCES, AROUND CAPS ON A NUMBER OF THEM SO YOU
DON’T NECESSARILY ALLOW THEM TO CREATE THE ECOSYSTEM THAT THEY
WANT TO CREATE WHICH ALLOWS SOMEONE TO GO TO ONE PAYDAY
LENDER, EXTRACT A HIGH INTEREST LOAN AND GO TO ANOTHER ONE JUST
ABOUT 25 METERS AWAY AND TAKE OUT A SECOND LOAN TO PAY THE
FIRST LOAN AND THEN THEY WALK UP THE STREET ANOTHER 25 METERS
AGAIN AND THEY GO GET A THIRD LOAN TO PAY BACK THE SECOND LOAN
AND THEY’RE STILL OUT-OF-POCKET FOR THE FIRST LOAN. YOU ARE
CONFINING PEOPLE INTO A WEB OF DEBT FOREVER. AND WE HAVE THE
ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. SO OBVIOUSLY
THERE’S A RESPONSIBILITY HERE AT THE CITY OF TORONTO, WE SHOULD
TAKE FORCEFUL ACTION BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROTECT LOCATION INCOME
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES BUT LET’S ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE
STRUCTURAL SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY KEEPS THEM WHERE THEY ARE AND
WHERE THEY ARE RELYING ON THESE PREDATORY LENDERS. BANKS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY DO NOT WANT TO LEND TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THEY CAN
SEE IT — THEY CONSIDER THEM CREDIT NOT WORTHY BASED ON THE
CRITERIAS THAT THEY’VE SETUP, BUT IT’S ACTUALLY GOVERNMENT AND
GOVERNMENT LEGISLATION THAT GIVES THE POWER TO THE BANKS TO
MAKE THESE LOANS. THEY DON’T IT ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT GOVERNMENT
LEGISLATION. SO THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO
STEP IN TO MANDATE THE FEDERALLY REGULATED BANKS, CREDIT UNIONS
AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTION SERVICES SHOULD PROVIDE LOW
INTEREST LOANS TO THESE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THEY’RE
MAKING RECORD PROFITS YEAR AFTER YEAR AND OFFSETTING THE BALANCE
SHEET, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE LOW INCOME INTEREST —
LOW INTEREST LOANS TO LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS. SO THAT EVERYBODY
IN THIS COUNTRY REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY ARE HAS ACCESS TO
SOME FORM OF CREDIT. AND MADAM SPEAKER, THE OTHER
THING IS THAT THE PROVINCE HAS A ROLE TO MY.
THE CITY NEEDS TO DO ITS PART, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO
DO IT PART. IF WE DON’T PICK A NUMBER TO DETERMINE WHERE THE
CAPS ARE FOR THE INTEREST RATE I WILL TELL YOU, THE LOBBY THAT
ACTUALLY — THAT’S ADD VOW INDICATING FOR THESE PRETTIED
TORE LENDERS AND PAYDAY LENDERS THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT’S NOT
ENOUGH. WE DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND BASED
ON CONSULTATION AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY MOST HARMED
ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND THAT’S OUR WAY HOW WE STAND UP FOR
THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MATLOW.
» I WANT TO THANK COUNCILLORS WONG-TAM AND NUNZIATA ALONG WITH
COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP ON AN ISSUE THAT IS
SO CLEARLY IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. WE HEARD OVER AND
OVER AND OVER AGAIN STORIES OF HOW PEOPLE’S LIVES WERE
[INAUDIBLE] LEADING TO DEPRESSION, BROKEN FAMILIES EVEN
SUICIDE BECAUSE THEY — THEY WERE VICTIMS OF
THESE PREDATORY PAYDAY LENDERS THAT — THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE
PEOPLE’S LIVES, SUCH HORRENDOUS WEIGHTS PEOPLE THAT CAN NEVER
ESCAPE THE VICIOUS CYCLE. IN FACT, WHEN THESE — WE HEARD SO
MANY STORIES OF WHEN THESE PAYDAY LENDER S CONGREGATE IN
ONE AREA PEOPLE WILL GO FROM ONE AND THEN TO THE NEXT AND THEN TO
THE NEXT AND THE BURDEN OF DENT JUST KEEPS BUILDING UP AND UP
AND UP, THAT THAT IS THEIR EXISTENCE AND THEY WILL NEVER
GET OUT OF THAT. AND YOU DON’T SEE THEM IN AREAS
THAT ARE BECOME BEING GENTRIFIED. I’VE SEEN OTHER
AREAS WHERE THERE USED TO BE MORE AND AS THE AREAS GENTRIFIED
THEY GO OKAY WE WANT TO GO AFTER OTHER VULNERABLE PEOPLE AND
TARGET NEIGHBOURHOODS WHERE PEOPLE ARE POOR AND MORE
VULNERABLE. THAT’S WHAT THEY DO. THEY’RE PREDATORS PREYING
ON PEOPLE. AND WE HAVE TO SQUEEZE THAT LIKE THEY’VE
SQUEEZED SO MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT. WE NEED TO
GET THEM OUT OF HERE. AND I JUST HOPE BY MOVING FORWARD WITH
THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE’RE PUTTING ON THEM, BY THE REQUESTS
THAT WE’RE ASKING OF THE OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT
US, BY REIGNING IN THESE EXCESSIVE
INTEREST PAYMENTS THAT THEY DEMAND THAT WE AS A TORONTO
COUNCIL ARE TELLING PAYDAY LENDERS THAT IF YOUR BUSINESS IS
ALL ABOUT EXPLOITING PEOPLE THEN WE DON’T SUPPORT YOU DOING
BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF TORONTO. THANK YOU.
» THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FILION.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I JUST WANT TO URGE MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF
THE COMMITTEE. WE HAD A VERY THOROUGH AND THOUGHTFUL
DISCUSSION, A VERY GOOD DEBATE, AND WE WERE VERY MUCH GUIDED BY
THE EXPERIENCE OF COUNCILLORS SUCH AS YOURSELF, MADAM SPEAKER,
WHO FOR A VERY LONG TIME HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THOSE WHO ARE
VICTIMS OF PAYDAY LOANS AND TRYING TO BRING IN MEASURES TO
IMPROVE THAT SITUATION. AND SO I THINK WE CAME UP WITH AN
EXCELLENT SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY WERE VERY
THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED, THEY WERE ADOPTED ALMOST ANALYSISLY, AND I
THINK WE HAVE A VERY EXCELLENT SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS HERE
BEFORE COUNCIL THAT SHOULD BE ADOPT.
» THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA.
» SPEAKER, I HAVE A SERIES OF MOTIONS AND THE DESK HAS THEM.
I DON’T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THEM READY YET.
» NO, THEY DON’T HAVE IT READY. » CAN WE JUST STAND IT DOWN FOR
A SECOND UNTIL THEY ARE? » SO ARE THE SERIES OF MOTIONS
DIFFERENT — ARE THEY DIFFERENT — THEY’RE DIFFERENT THAN THE RE
— COMMITTEE REPORTS? » [OFF MIC]
» WELL, NO, THEY’RE NOT READY. COUNCILLOR FLETCHER. COUNCILLOR FLETCHER. » [OFF MIC].
» WELL, THEY’RE NOT READY. HE JUST GAVE THEM TO THE STAFF 2
MINUTES AGO. SO WE’RE GOING TO GO TO YOUR
ITEM 7.7, PAGE 6. » YEAH, I DID TRY TO RELEASE
THAT EARLIER BUT YOU HAD MADE ME WAIT.
» YES. » SORRY.
» SO YES I’M JUST GOING TO RELEASE THAT AND AGAIN SAY THAT
I’VE HAD MR. — COME DOWN TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT A SOLE
SOURCE IS AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES WE WOULD SOLE
SOURCE SOMETHING, WHAT A NON-COMPETITIVE CONTRACT IS. SO
I UNDERSTAND WE’RE EXEMPTING THE PROVIDER, EXEMPTING PARKS DEPARTMENT FROM
RFP REQUIREMENT AND I’LL MOVE THAT, SPEAKER.
» ON THE ITEM, PAGE 6, 7.7, ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. PAGE 7 IE 7.9, COUNCILLOR
FILION. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
» SORRY, WHICH ONE, MADAM SPEAKER?
» PAGE 7, TOP OF PAGE 7. » [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS].
» YES, IF WE COULD HOLD THIS DOWN UNTIL TOMORROW LEGAL IS
LOOKING INTO SOMETHING FOR ME. I TOLD THEM I THOUGHT IT WOULD
BE COMING UP TOMORROW MORNING. » WELL, WE’RE —
» [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]. » WE’RE GOING THROUGH THE
AGENDA FAST. SO THIS IS LIKE — » NO ONE EXPECTED US TO GO THIS
FAST. » WELL, IT A RECORD.
» AND I ALSO HAVE A MOTION WHICH I HAVEN’T GIVEN TO THE
CLERK YET. » ALL RIGHT.
» PAGE 7 IE 7.13, COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK,
ARE YOU READY? IS THIS IS ON THE SCOOTER.
» YES, THANK YOU. » DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF
STAFF? » QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
» OKAY. QUESTIONS OF STAFF. » GREAT, THANK YOU.
SO JUST TO PROVIDE — DO WE HAVE STAFF HERE? » OKAY WE NEED TRANSPORTATION
STAFF. » SORRY WE’RE GETTING TO ITEMS
RATHER QUICKLY, I THINK WE’RE CATCHING STAFF OFF GUARD. WE’RE
REACHING OUT TO GET OUR TRANSPORTATION COLLEAGUES DOWN
HERE. » SHOULD WE HOLD IT DOWN OR
SHOULD I JUST ASK AWAY? » WELL, I THINK.
» [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS] .
» THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO GET THROUGH AGENDA, SO, YOU KNOW.
» WE ON THE FLOOR ARE READY. » OKAY. IF WE CAN GET COUNCIL
AGENDA COMPLETE THIS WOULD BE AMAZING, A RECORD.
» SO MY FIRST QUESTIONS ARE VERY BROAD.
» COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK. » WHY DON’T WE GIVE THIS A TRY
AND LET’S SEE HOW WE GO. I JUST WANT TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR
THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK ON WHAT WE’RE WORKING WITH. NOW, THE
PROVINCE THE MINISTRY OF TRANSPORTATION HAS — HAS
CHANGED THE REGULATIONS TO ALLOW E SCOOTERING, OR AT LEAST ALLOW
MUNICIPALITIES TO DEAL OF A LOCAL FRAMEWORK TO MAKE IT
LEGAL. » SO THROUGH YOU, MADAM
SPEAKER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO IS
AMENDING THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT FOR THE PURPOSES OF ALLOWING E
SCOOTERS ON A PILOT BASIS. I BELIEVE IT’S A FIVE YEAR PILOT.
AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT MECHANISM IS
NECESSARY, THE MUNICIPALITY WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH
PARTICULARLY COMMERCIAL OPERATORS OF E SCOOTERS WHERE WE
RUN THE RISK OF SEEING A PROLIFERATION ON OUR PUBLIC
RIGHT-OF-WAY. » SO THE PROVINCE IS AMENDING
THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT MAKING E SCOOTERS LEGAL BUT IT’S THE
MUNICIPALITES THAT DEAL OF THE LOCAL REGULATORY FRAMEWORK ON
THE RESUMES THEY HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER, IS THAT —
» SO THROUGH YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, THE HTA GOVERNS THE CONDUCT ON
ROADWAYS. I BELIEVE THE STAFF AND ONCE THEY GET HERE THEY’RE
ON THEIR WAY DOWN CAN SPEAK WHETHER OR NOT PLEA AGREEMENT A
POLICY PERSPECTIVE. I’LL HAVE TO DEFER TO THEM ON THAT.
» MADAM SPEAKER, DO YOU WANT TO RESET MY TIME OR WHAT DO YOU
WANT TO DO? » I’M HAPPY TO CARRY ON.
OTHER MUNICIPAL REQUIREMENTS FOR E SCOOTERS CERTAINLY —
» NO, I HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. SO WE JUST COVERED
OFF THE BROAD STROKES BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE POWER OF THE
MUNICIPALITY, THE PROVINCE, THE PROVINCE SAYS THE MAXIMUM
OPERATING SPEED IS 32 KILOMETERS PER HOUR ACCOUNT MUNICIPALITY
CAP THAT AT LET’S SAY 20. » THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE PROVE
SINCE IS STILL CRAFTING THEIR RESPONSE BACK. SO AT THIS POINT
WHILE — THERE’S BEEN INITIAL STATEMENTS ABOUT SPEED AND
THERE’S BEEN INITIAL STATEMENTS ABOUT HOW THEY’RE GOING TO KIND
OF NAVIGATE THE RULES THEY HAVE NOT ACTUALLY COME BACK TO US
WITH THE FORMAL PROCLAMATION OF WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO DO. WE
BELIEVE IT WILL BE A FIVE YEARS PILOT. WE HAVE AS YOU KNOW SENT
BACK RECOMMENDATIONS AND I THINK WE CIRCULATED THEM ABOUT HAVING
A LOWER SPEED SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE SOME OF THE SAFETY ISSUES
THAT WE’VE SEEN IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS. OUR INTEREST IS
IN HAVING E SCOOTERS IF AND WHEN THEY GET DEPLOYED IN TORONTO TO
BE SPEED COMPATIBLE WITH CYCLING BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKELY BE
SHARING THE CYCLING FACILITIES. » SO RIGHT NOW WE DON’T KNOW
WHAT POWERS WE MIGHT HAVE IN REGULATING THE INDUSTRY ONCE IT
BECOMES LOCAL, IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN CAP
THE SPEED LIMIT, WE DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN MAKE HELMETS
MANDATORY AND WE DON’T KNOW —
WELL WE CERTAINLY WILL HAVE THE POWER ON WHERE THEY CAN PARK IS
THAT — » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, CERTAINLY
IF THE PROVINCE DOES CHOOSE TO SET RESTRICTIONS OF THAT TYPE
AND DOES REQUIRE CITIES TO FOLLOW THOSE RESTRICTIONS WE
CERTAINLY WOULD BE HELD TO THAT STANDARD. MANY OTHER LOCATIONS HAVE HAD
LOCAL CONTROL IN TERMS OF DEFINING WHAT KIND OF RULES AND
REGULATIONS THEY CAN APPLY AND WE’RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN — WE
CAN HAVE THAT CONTROL SO THAT WE CAN CREATE A PROGRAM THAT’S
GOING TO WORK FOR TORONTO. » SO THAT’S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
SO WE CAN DO A MADE IN TORONTO REGULATORY FRAMEWORK BASED ON
AMENDMENTS TO THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC — THEY WILL DELEGATE TO
US THE MINUTIA TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL, SAFE, OPERATIONAL.
» WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH IN TERMS OF THE REGULATORY
ENVIRONMENT OR THE FRAMEWORK FOR THIS PILOT THAT THEY WANT TO
MOVE FORWARD, WILL — ONCE WE HAVE THAT BACK WE WILL HAVE A
LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW WE CAN — HOW WE CAN OPERATE AND
WHAT OUR ROLE AS A CITY IS GOING TO BE. BASED ON WHAT WE’VE
LEARNED FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND DONE SOME PRETTY EXTENSIVE
RESEARCH THE BEST — TYPICALLY THROUGH THAT TYPE OF A PILOT OR
PERMIT, THAT DICTATE VERY CLEAR STANDARDS BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL
OPERATOR AND THE CITY. » YOU KNOW, I GUESS ONE OF THE
MAIN — ONE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT E SCOOTERS IS PERSONAL
INJURY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY ATTEMPT BY THE E SCOOTER
COMPANIES TO — TO COMBINE US WITH ANY LAWSUITS, IN OTHER WORDS, MAKE
US PARTIALLY LIABLE FOR ANY KIND OF ROAD MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT —
» THAT WAS YOUR LAST QUESTION. » I’M THE CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE. » YEAH. SO YOU STILL GET FIVE
MINUTES. » YEAH. INEQUALITY, THAT’S
RIGHT. NO SPECIAL PREFERENCES, PASTERNAK.
» WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS OR OBLIGATIONS OF
THE PRIVATE COMPANY WILL BE I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT
QUESTION. CERTAINLY INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE WHO GET HURT WITHIN THE
PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS THEY HAVE WITH
ANY OTHER KIND OF CRASH RELATED COMING BACK TO THE CITY AND
ASKING FOR SOME TYPE OF LEGAL COMPENSATION. » THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE, QUESTIONS? » COUNCILLOR PERKS IS IN FRONT
OF ME. » [OFF MIC] .
» THE LETTER THAT — OUR RESPONSE THAT WAS SENT TO THE
MTO WE DISTRIBUTED TO, I BELIEVE — DID YOU GET A COPY OF THAT?
» YEP. SO THIS IS THE LETTER OF SEPTEMBER 12TH THAT WAS OUR
SUBMISSION TO THE PROVINCE. » THAT IS CORRECT. AND WE HAVE
NOT YET HEARD BACK FROM THE MTO ON HOW THEY’RE GOING TO PROCEED.
» OKAY. DID THEY SAY THEY’RE GOING TO RESPOND AT ALL OR THIS
WAS JUST WE SENT THIS IN? » THEY WILL LIKELY THEY WILL
JUST ANNOUNCE THE REGULATION, BUT WE DON’T HAVE A SENSE AS TO
WHAT THE TIMING IS ON THAT. » BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A
NUMBER OF ITEMS IN THE LETTER WHERE WE DIFFER, THEY WANT A
FIVE YEAR PILOT PROJECT, WE WANT A 2-YEAR PILOT PROJECT. ONE OF
THE OTHER CONCERNS I HAVE IS AROUND — A LOT OF THE OTHER
READING I’LL USE — SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE LARGEST E-SCOOTER
OPERATORS AROUND THE WORLD THEY SEEM TO OPERATE AROUND THE COMMON R COMPLAINT I
SEE IS THEY OPERATE ON AN IRON CLAD WAIVER THAT THEY HAVE TO
SIGN SO IT ALL SEEMS TO FALL BACK ON THE MUNICIPALITY.
» AND ALL OF THOSE ITEMS WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT IN A
SITUATION WHERE WE HAD A PERMIT OR A PILOT PROGRAM WHERE WE HAD
A RELATIONSHIP ACTUALLY WITH AN OPERATOR.
» OKAY. AND SO I GUESS THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION THAT SAYS
THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK IN THE 4TH QUARTER OF 20 19. SO AT
THAT POINT ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HAVE A RESPONSE BACK FROM THIS
LETTER FROM THE PROVINCE AND THEN TAKING FEEDBACK OR MOTIONS
FROM THIS MOTION, THIS MEETING TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT
PHASE? » SO WE ARE ANTICIPATING
ALTHOUGH WE DON’T KNOW FOR SURE WHEN THE PROVINCE IS GOING TO
COME BACK WITH THE REGULATION AS I MENTIONED. WE ARE PUTTING
TOGETHER KIND OF THE PARAMETERS FOR WHAT WE SEE AS A PROGRESS
MAT PARTICULAR APPROACH TO ENGAGING WITH THE CUSTOMERS
OPERATOR AROUND E-SCOOTERS AND LOOKING TO HAVE THAT BACK TO
COUNCIL BY THE DECEMBER TIME FRAME.
» OKAY. BECAUSE — I GUESS ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS AROUND
INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE THESE E-SCOOTERS CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM
24 TO RECOMMENDING 32 KILOMETERS.
» SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, OUR INTEREST IS IN NOT — OUR
INTEREST IS IN HAVING SPEEDS COMPATIBLE WITH CYCLING. WE’RE
CERTAINLY AWARE OF AND LOOKING INTO ISSUES RELATED TO SAFETY
AND OTHER COMPONENTS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER PROGRAM
DOES MOVE FORWARD FOR TORONTO IT’S ONE THAT WE’VE PRESENTED
THOROUGHLY TO THIS COUNCIL AND VETTED AND IT WILL BE
SUCCESSFUL. » OKAY. BECAUSE ONE OF THE
ARTICLES I WAS READING I THINK IN NEW YORK CITY OR — WORLDWIDE
HAS A PROGRAM CALLED SAVE OR SIDEWALK WHERE THEY MAKE A
COMMITMENT TO SEND IN THE MUNICIPALITY A DOLLAR PER DAY
FOR EVERY VEHICLE — A DOLLAR PER DAY PER VEHICLE THAT’S USED
AND THAT MONEY IS PUT TOWARDS IMPROVING CYCLING
INFRASTRUCTURE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT? » WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT MANY
DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCHEMES BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL OPERATORS
AND THE CITIES IN WHICH THEY OPERATE. AND SO THESE WOULD ALL
BE ISSUES WE’D BE LOOKING INTO AND BRING A RANGE OF THINGS BACK
TO YOU IN DECEMBER. » OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I
GUESS MY LAST QUESTION WAS AROUND HELMETS. AND TOURISTS
REALLY SEEM TO LIKE E-SCOOTERS. THEY DON’T NOT WEARING HELMETS
THOUGH WHICH SEEMS TO CAUSE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF INJURIES FROM
THE READING I’VE DONE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE’LL BE LOOKING AT
DOING HOW WE INCORPORATE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO WEAR
HELMETS OR SHOULD BE WEARING HELMETS OR HOW THEY GET ACCESS
TO HELMETS? » WE’VE BEEN ASKING DISCUSSIONS
ABOUT HELMETS IN THE MANDATORY USE OF HELMETS WITHIN STAFF, WE
CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A MANDATORY HELMET LAW IN THE CITY
OF TORONTO. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING NEW THAT WE WOULD HAVE
TO TAKE ACTION ON. » OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. » COUNCILLOR PERKS, QUESTIONS.
» THANK YOU. IN THE PROPOSED BYLAW HERE THERE ARE A SERIES OF
PROVISIONS THAT YOU CAN’T LITTER THE SIDEWALKS
WITH THEM RIDE THEM ON SIDEWALKS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. MY BET
WOULD BE THAT THE PERSON THAT WE WOULD BE HELL — HOLDING
CULLABLE WOULD BE THE PERSON RIDING THE SCOOTER. » THROUGH THE SPEAKER I THINK
THERE’S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MODELS THERE ONE IS THAT THERE’S
A STRUCTURED ENOUGH ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL OPERATOR.
WE HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THE LOCATION OF THOSE
AND HAVE AN AGREEMENT ABOUT HOW WE SETTLE ISSUES RELATED TO THE
IMPROPER PLACEMENT OF THE VEHICLES ON THE SIDEWALK.
THERE’S DIFFERENT THINGS DO YOU REMEMBER THE DAY. SOMETIMES
IT’S JUST THE USE WHICH MIGHT BE BY AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON IF WE’RE
CLEAR ABOUT HOW WE MARK OUT PLACES —
» I’M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT BYLAW THAT’S HERE, NOT
THE PLAN DOWN THE ROAD. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WE HAVE IN
FRONT OF US. » OH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.
» YEAH, SAYS TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO RIDE THEM ON THE SIDEWALKS,
AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. » RIGHT.
» THERE’S NOTHING IN THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HOLD ANY
SCOOTER COMPANY THAT JUST SHOWED UP AND STARTED RENTING THEM
CULLABLE. » CORRECT THEN IT WOULD BE THE
USER IN THE CURRENT DESCRIPTION WE HAVE NOW.
» THIS MAY BE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, I DON’T KNOW, BUT YOU
KNOW, CLEARLY WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DEAL OFFING SOME
REGULATORY FRAMEWORK TO MANAGE THIS IS PART OF OUR THINKING IN
THAT HOW TO HOLD FIRMS CULLABLE FOR PROBLEMS CAUSED USING OUR
ALREADY INADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE?
» YEAH, SO THROUGH YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, I WOULD EXPECT
TRANSPORTATION MUNICIPAL LICENSING STANDARDS ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE ISSUE OF COMMERCIAL OPERATION THAT A CONSIDERATION
TO HOLDING THE PLATFORM AND THE SUPPLIER OF THE E-SCOOTERS WOULD
CERTAINLY BE PART THAT HAVE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK.
» AND DO YOU THINK WE WILL DO BETTER WITH MANAGING THAT
FRAMEWORK THAN WE DID, SAY, WITH PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION
COMPANIES? » THROUGH YOU, MADAM SPEAKER,
SOMEHOW I KNEW THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT WAS GOING TO BE
ASKED, COUNCILLOR PERKS. QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK WE’VE DONE
QUITE A FINE JOB OF REGULATING THE TRANSPORTATION COMPANIES
OPERATING IN THE CITY AND EXPECT AN EQUALLY SUCCESSFUL REGULATORY
FRAMEWORK IF NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS
E-SCOOTERS. » WELL, YOU GET POINTS FOR
STYLE. » THANK YOU. TO SPEAK COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. WHEN I COME HOME FROM WORK AND
MY MILLENNIAL KIDS WHO GREET ME WHO HAVE MOVED BACK IN THE
HOUSE, THEY ASK ME WHAT HAVE YOU BANNED TODAY, AND I’M NOT REALLY
QUITE SURE HOW TO ANSWER THAT. BUT THAT WAS THE RESPONSE — WE
BANNED HANDGUNS TODAY. SO WITH THIS THIS WAS EXTREMELY POPULAR
AMONG THEIR PEER GROUPS. BUT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY I WAS IN
DENVER THIS SUMMER AT A CONFERENCE, AND DENVER IS
SCOOTER CITY. AND I SAW FIRST HAND — FIRST OF ALL ACCENTUATE
THE POSITIVE, PEOPLE GETTING AROUND EASILY, HAVING LOTS OF
FUN, IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE CYCLISTS, THE SCOOTEDERS, PEOPLE
JOGGING, JUST A BEAUTIFUL CITY TO SEE THIS KIND OF OUTDOOR
ACTIVITY. AT THE SAME TIME I SAW THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF IT.
AND MANY OF THESE SCOOTERS WERE BLOCKING THE PUBLIC
RIGHT-OF-WAY, TIPPED OVER ON THE SIDEWALKS, THEY WERE IMPEDING
THE EASY ACCESS TO BUILDINGS. AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY A LOT OF
PROBLEMS WITH THAT. AND MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE SENIORS WHO HAVE
MOBILITY ISSUES, WHO ARE DISABLED WOULD CERTAINLY FIND
THE SCOOTERS WE SAW THIS DENVER VERY INTIMIDATING AND JUST
DOWNRIGHT RUDE. SO WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO HERE IN THE CITY OF
TORONTO THROUGH OUR COMMITTEE, THROUGH COUNCIL IS TO GET IT
RIGHT, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GO SLOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
TAKE ALL THE PRECAUTIONS WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE
EASY ACCESS TO A FUN, INEXPENSIVE WAY OF TRAVEL, AND
AT THE SAME TIME MAKE SURE THAT THEY’RE NOT BLOCKING THE PUBLIC
RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY’RE NOT IMPEDING THE ABILITY OF SENIORS
AND OTHERS WITH MOBILITY ISSUES. AND ACTUALLY IT WOULD BLOCK
ANYONE WITH THE SCOOTERS TIPPED OVER ON THE SIDEWALK.
AT THE SAME TIME MANY CITIES WHO HAVE INTRODUCED SCOOTERS HAVE
SEEN A SPIKE IN PERSONAL INJURY. AND WHEN YOU’VE NEVER BEEN ON
ONE AND ONLY BEEN ON ONE RECENTLY, AND YOU’RE NOT SURE ON
THE CONTROLS, THE BRAKING SYSTEM, PUTTING ON THE GAS AND
THE PRESSURE AND DISMOUNTING AND SO FORTH, AND IF YOU’RE RUNNING
IT ON ROUGH TERRAIN, YOU HAVE A HIGH EXPECTATION THAT YOU COULD
GET INTO AN ACCIDENT IF YOU’RE NOT — IF YOU’RE NOT CAREFUL.
AND I’VE READ IN VARIOUS MEDIA REPORTS ABOUT THE PERSONAL
INJURIES THAT HAVE OCCURRED. SO AT THE SAME TIME WHILE SOME
OF THE MOTIONS THAT WERE MOVED BY COMMITTEE AND SLIGHTLY
AMENDED BY COUNCILLOR LAYTON, I BELIEVE HE’S GOING TO BE
SPEAKING AS MENTIONED HE HAS A MOTION SHORTLY, IT IS BETTER FOR
US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT, THAT WE INTRODUCE
E-SCOOTERS TO OUR CITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE RULES OF THE ROAD, THAT WE’RE RESPECTING
THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, THAT WE’RE MAKING SURE THAT WE REDUCE
THE NUMBER OF INJURIES. AT THE SAME TIME OFFER A CHEAP,
INEXPENSIVE AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET SHORT DISTANCES AND TO HAVE
FUN AT THE SAME TIME. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. » THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR LAYTON. » [OFF MIC].
» YOU PUT YOUR NAME TO SPEAK. » [OFF MIC].
» COUNCILLOR PERKS. » THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO, SPEAKER, I COULD GO OUT CANVASSING EVERY NIGHT FOR THE
REST OF MY LIFE AND ASK SOMEBODY DO YOU THINK THE CITY OF TORONTO
PROVIDES ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF
THE USE OF THE ROAD SPACE, DO WE DO IT SAFELY? AND I WOULD NEVER
FIND A PERSON WHO SAYS THE WAY WE USE OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY RIGHT
NOW IS SAFE. IT’S NOT SAFE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE TOO MANY
CONFLICTS AND NOT ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE
MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE USING THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM,
PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS. AND HERE WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF
ADDING YET ANOTHER MODE ONTO THAT ALREADY OVERDEMANDED
RIGHT-OF-WAY PUTTING YET ANOTHER VULNERABLE
USER IN THERE TO MIX INTO AN INADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION
INFRASTRUCTURE. IF I WAS STANDING HERE TODAY AND
WE HAD THE MINIMUM GRID OF FULLY SEPARATED BIKE LANES THAT
CYCLING ACTIVISTS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, IF I WAS STANDING
HERE TODAY AND WE WEREN’T EXPERIENCING RECORD NUMBERS OF
PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES IN CITY OF TORONTO STREETS, IF I WAS
STANDING HERE TODAY AND KNEW I HAD RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT
VISION 0 TO THE SATISFACTION OF ALL TORONTONIANS I MIGHT TURN MY
MIND TO OPENING UP CITY TREAT TO E-SCOOTERS, BUT NO, WE’RE
NOWHERE NEAR ANY OF THAT. WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS THE SAME
THING THAT HAPPENED WITH UBER, IT’S THE SAME THING THAT
HAPPENED WITH AIRBNB, IT’S THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENS WHENEVER
SOME LARGE GROUP OF VENTURE CAPITAL LISTS FIGURE OUT I HAVE
A WAY TO MAKE SOME MONEY OFF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND DAMN
THE CONSEQUENCES. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO TOLERANCE,
PATIENCE OR WILLINGNESS TO TAKE AN ALREADY DANGEROUS CITY STREET AND MAKE IT MORE
DANGEROUS SO THAT A VENTURE CAPITAL LIST WHO INVESTS IN AN
E-SCOOTER COMPANY MAKES MORE MONEY.
IF CITY STAFF CAN SHOW ME THAT THEY HAVE A WAY TO HOLD THOSE
VENTURE CAPITAL LISTS TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY CONSEQUENCE THEY CREATE
IN OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, MAYBE I’D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE
OPEN TO IT. BUT I KNOW FROM LONG BITTER EXPERIENCE THAT
THOSE GUYS WRITE THE RULES, THE RULES THAT GOVERN TAXI DRIVERS
RIGHT NOW ARE WEAKER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE UBER CAME IN, THE
GUARANTEES WE PROVIDE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE RIDING IN A TAXI, NOT
EVEN AN UBER ARE NOT AS GOOD AS THEY USED TO BE. THIS IS PART
OF A DOWNWARD SPIRAL WHICH IS ALL ABOUT LETTING PEOPLE MAKE
MORE MONEY OFF INADEQUATE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I DON’T
BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE WE’RE GOING TO FIND THE LEGAL TOOLS TO
PROTECT TORONTONIANS. IF YOU BELIEVE IN VISION ZERO THIS IS
ACTUALLY MOVING AWAY FROM VISION ZERO. THIS IS MAKING THE
CIRCUMSTANCES WORSE. SO I’LL WAIT FOR THE STAFF
REPORT, BUT I WILL BE ASTONISHED IF I FIND THAT WHAT WE’RE
PROPOSING HERE MAKES THE CITY OF TORONTO SAFER TO TRAVEL IN. AND
THE OTHER THING IS, PLEASE, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT JUST LIKE
UBER WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING CARS OFF THE STREET WHEN
THIS COMES IN, WE’RE GOING TO BE REPLACING TRANSIT, CYCLING AND
WALKING TRIPS WITH SOMETHING THAT’S ELECTRICALLY POWERED.
ELECTRICITY DOES NOT COME WITH NO ENVIRONMENTAL OR SOCIAL COST.
IT’S ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE REDUCING THE USINGS
OF. SO USING ELECTRICITY TO REPLACE TRANSIT, WALKING AND
CYCLING TRIPS HAS NO REAL BENEFIT TO THE LARGER SOCIETY.
AND I’M, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK’S KIDS WILL
FEEL THAT WE ARE KILL JOYS THAT MUCH BETTER THAN HAVING MORE
PEOPLE KILLED ON CITY OF TORONTO STREETS. » COUNCILLOR AINSLIE.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. SO I OUTLINED A NUMBER CONCERNS
THAT I HAD AROUND E-SCOOTERS. I’VE DONE A LOT OF READING ABOUT
E-SCOOTERS IN MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE WORLD. FOR ME
BASICALLY BOILS DOWN TO ADVENTURE VERSUS SAFETY.
E-SCOOTERS LOOK REALLY NEAT, A LOT OF FUN, I’VE SEEN VIDEOS OF
THEM. AN THEN WE HAVE A LETTER THAT WE WROTE TO THE PROVINCE
OUTLINING OUR CONCERNS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SAFETY ISSUES,
AND THEY USE THE EXAMPLE OF 2 UVLA HOSPITALS IN 2019 FALLS
ACCOUNTED FOR 80% OF INJURIES FOR SCOOTER RIDERS, FRACTURES
32, CONTUSIONS, SPRAINS, LACERATIONS. AND THESE ARE
INJURIES NOT JUST COMMON TO LOS ANGELES IN EVERY CITY THAT
E-SCOOTERS HAVE BEEN PUT IN AROUND THE WORLD THESE ARE
CONSISTENT INJURIES. YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING ON AN
E-SCOOTER THAT OFTEN WITHOUT A HELMET, TOURISTS USE THEM A LOT
BECAUSE THEY LOVE THEM, THEY’RE CHEAP TO USE. BUT THEY DO IT
WITHOUT HELMETS. SO YOU HAVE THESE INJURIES ALL THE TIME.
YOU CAN GOOGLE E-SCOOTERS AND MUNICIPALITIES, YOU WILL NOT
FIND ONE ARTICLE THAT SAYS WHAT A GREAT THING E-SCOOTERS ARE,
THEY CAME TO OUR CITY. JUST THIS MORNING IN THE — THERE’S A
HALF PAGE ARTICLE AND IT’S ENTITLED WHAT CANADA CAN EXPECT
AFTER BERLIN’S ROCKY SCOOTER ROLL OUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
ROLLING THIS PROGRAM OUT SLOWLY AND SAFELY, BERLIN WHO’S HAD
E-SCOOTERS FOR JUST UNDER 6 MONTHS THEIR INITIAL ALLOTMENT
BY THE FIRST COMPANY WAS 200 SCOOTERS, HERE WE ARE 6 MONTHS
LATER THEY HAVE OVER 6,000 SCOOTERS ON THE STREETS OF
BERLIN. SO IT WAS HARDLY A SAFE SLOW ROLL OUT. WE OFTEN HEAR OF
INJURIES WITH PEOPLE IN OUR BIKE LANES, STREETS WITHOUT BIKE
LANES. THROW IN A MIX — BERLIN IS THE SAME SIZE AS THE CITY OF
TORONTO ARE ROUGHLY THROW IN 6,000 E-SCOOTERS INTO THE MIX AS
WELL. SO I THINK WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO
LOOK AT. A NUMBER OF THE SCOOTERS COMPANY THEY’RE ALL
VERY GOOD AT MAKING SURE ANY LEGAL ISSUES DON’T FALL ON THEIR
DOORSTEP, THEY FALL ON THE HOST MUNICIPALITY. AS I MENTIONED,
SAFETY ISSUES AROUND HELMETS.
BIRD FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE LARGER COMPANIES HAD SO MUCH
TROUBLE IN NEW YORK CITY TRYING TO ROLL OUT A SCOOTEDER PROGRAM
OR TALKING ABOUT ROLLING OUT A SCOOTER PROGRAM THEY ACTUALLY
CREATED THIS SAVE OUR SIDEWALK PROGRAM WHERE THEY A LOT A
DOLLAR PER DAY PER E-SCOOTER THAT GETS REPRESENTED OUT. THIS IS ALL ABOUT AND
VENTURE VERSUS SAFETY. AS A MUNICIPALITY YOU WANT TO MAKE
SURE YOUR RESIDENTS ARE HAVING FUN AND TOURISTS ARE ENJOYING
THE CITY BUT WE ALSO HAVE A VERY STRONG OBLIGATION TO ENSURE THAT
THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE ON OUR STREETS IS
MAINTAINED. THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR LAYTON ARE YOU READY?
» JUST DELETING THE SECOND HALF OF THE MOTION.
» HOLD ON. THEY’RE NOT READY. YOU HAVE A MOTION.
» WONDERFUL. AS I KNEW THE CLERK WOULD. PLEASE DISREGARD
MY PREVIOUS COMMENT THAT CITY SOLICITORS WERE MORE DIFFICULT
TO WORK WITH AROUND WORDS THAN CITY CLERKS. » COUNCILLOR, LAYTON, YOUR TIME
IS RUNNING. » MY MOTION’S UP ON THE SCREEN.
» OKAY. » AND THAT IS TO AMEND THE
INFRASTRUCTURE ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION BY
ADDING THE WORDS UNTIL SUCH TIME THE REPORT AND HEMMED DEPUTATION
ABOVE CAN BE CONSIDERED BY THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE. I’LL
EXPLAIN THAT IN A SECOND. FIRST, THIS TECHNOLOGY IS — IS
SPRINGING UP ALL OVER THE CITY. AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT
NOW UNLIKE THE SITUATION WITH UBER AND AIRBNB, WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO HAVE A DIALOGUE, TO DO OUR RESEARCH IN
ADVANCE. IN ADVANCE OF THE
COMMERCIALIZATION OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND POTENTIALLY
OF PUB PUBLIC SPACE. NOW, I KNOW MANY OF YOU PROBABLY
WOULDN’T HAVE STRUGGLED WITH THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS BUT EVEN
CITING OUR OWN CYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT WITHOUT
CONTENTION IN NEIGHBOURHOODS. THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH SPACE ON
THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE WIDESPREAD COMMERCIALIZATION OF A
TECHNOLOGY LIKE THIS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT PICTURES AS I’VE
HEARD COUNCILLOR AINSLIE HAS AND I KNOW THE REST OF YOU HAVE,
RECEIVED EMAILS ABOUT HOW THESE THINGS ARE STORED THAT IT RAISES
SOME CONCERNS CERTAINLY FOR ME. I’M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY
ON THE STREETS THAT IS PARTIALLY A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROVINCE
ALTHOUGH I DON’T HOLD MUCH FAITH THAT THEY’LL GET IT RIGHT. THEY
ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. BUT THEN WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE
OUR CONSIDERATION AFTER THEY DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. AT
COMMITTEE I AMENDED THE MOTION TO ENSURE THAT STAFF WERE
DISCUSSING THE ISSUE OF RIGHT-OF-WAY MANAGEMENT WITHIN
THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE THESE VEHICLES ARE STORED WITH
THE TORONTO PARKING AUTHORITY, AND I DID THAT VERY
DELIBERATELY. PARTED OF IT IS I SEE THIS AS A MICRO MOBILITY
EXTENSION OF OUR BIKE SHARE PROGRAM. MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD
BE NOT TO OPEN OUR MARKET UP TO THESE — TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR,
INSTEAD TO INCORPORATE THAT TECHNOLOGY INTO OUR EXISTING
FLEET. FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, ONE, I THINK WE’D DO WELL, I
THINK WE’D MAKE MONEY, AND TWO, IS THE DEMANDS THAT WE’VE SEEN
FOR SPACE IN OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY CANNOT FACILITATE MULTIPLE,
MULTIPLE OPERATORS IN THIS SPACE OR ELSE WELL NOT HAVE ANY SPACE
FOR PATIOS WELL NOT HAVE ANY SPACE FOR PARKING METERS, NOT
HAVE ANY SPACE FOR OUR BIKE — OUR BIKE SHARE FACILITIES. THE REALITY IS WHERE THESE
VEHICLES WANT TO GO IS IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR AND WE ARE
TAPPED OUT FOR SPACE. THERE IS THOUGH A WAY TO INTEGRATE THIS
INTO OUR EXISTING SYSTEM, THAT HAS THE ADDED BENEFIT OF
SECURING THE VEHICLES IN SPACE THAT PROTECT THE PUBLIC
RIGHT-OF-WAY. THEY SHOULD BE DOCKED. THEY SHOULD BE DOCKED
WHERE THERE ARE DOCKS AND POTENTIALLY A HYBRID SYSTEM THAT
ALLOWS THEM ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE CORE, BUT IT’S GOING TO COST
THEM MONEY BECAUSE IT’S GOING TO COST THE MUNICIPALITY MONEY.
AND I REVISED THE MOTION AT COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT STAFF
WERE CONSIDERING THIS. I REVISED THIS MOTION HERE BECAUSE
IT’S IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEND AN INDICATOR THAT WE’RE NOT CLOSING
THE DOOR. THAT WE’RE WAITING FOR THE
PROVINCE TO DO THEIR WORK AND WE’RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN
THE MEANTIME SO THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A PROGRAM THAT ENSURES
PEOPLE ARE SAFE NOT ONLY WHEN RIDING THE E SCOOTERS OR THOSE
THAT ARE AROUND THE E-SCOOTERS BUT HOW THESE E-SCOOTERS ARE
STORED. AND I THINK THOSE ARE 2 VERY
IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
HAVING THE DEBATE WITH ALL OF YOU WHEN IT COMES BACK FROM
STAFF. THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS. 3 MINUTES CLARIFICATION.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. IF I CAN HAVE THE MOTION UP
AGAIN I’LL APPRECIATE IT. COUNCILLOR, YOU’RE ASKING THAT
WE PROHIBIT THE USE OF E-SCOOTERS ON THE CITY
SIDEWALKS. NOW, THESE ARE COMPANIES THAT ARE TRYING TO
COME IN FOR US TO USE THEM BUT THERE’S INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE —
THAT ARE USING THESE E-SCOOTERS THEY’VE GOT SKATE BOARDS THAT
ARE ELECTRONIC, THEY’VE GOT UNICYCLES THAT ARE ELECTRIC HOW
ARE WE GOING TO BE ALLOWING TO ARE THAT UNTIL WE SEE THE REPORT
BACK. » COUNCILLOR, I’M GOING TO PUT
YOUR TIME ON HOLD. THE MOTION THAT COUNCILLOR LAYTON MOVED,
WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO IS PART OF THE COMMITTEE REPORT.
COUNCILLOR LAYTON’S AMENDMENT IS ONLY WHAT’S UNDERLINED.
» RIGHT, MADAM SPEAKER. » SO THAT’S HIS AMENDMENT.
THAT’S HIS AMENDMENT. » IT STATES: CITY COUNCIL
PROHIBIT — » NO, NO, THAT’S PART OF THE
REPORT. » ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
» THE UNDERLYING PART OF THE AMENDMENT.
» I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THOUGH, IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO GET AN
ELECTRONIC UNICYCLE I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE TO KNOW. THAT
SOUNDS PRETTY COOL. » COUNCILLOR, PERKS, QUESTION
TO COUNCILLOR LAYTON. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR
LAYTON. SO IF I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ADVICE
THAT CAME FROM COMMITTEE AND WHAT YOU ARE MOVING, THE ADVICE
FROM — WE — FROM COMMITTEE IS PUT IN THIS BYLAW, AND THEN
REPORT BACK AND IF THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT WAY THEY
WANT TO DO IT, WE AMEND THE BYLAW. IF I READ WHAT YOURS
DOES IT SAYS THE MINUTE A REPORT LANDS AT COMMITTEE THE BYLAW IS
LIFTED. » NO, SO THE INTENT IS JUST TO
SIGNAL — » I’M — YOUR MOTION DOESN’T SAY
SEND A SIGNAL. YOUR MOTION SAYS WHEN — CAN I HAVE IT BACK UP. ?
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION CAN BE
CONSIDERED BY THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE AND CITY COUNCIL. SO
THAT DOESN’T SAY WE ACTUALLY CHANGE ANYTHING OR DON’T UP WITH
A NEW REGULATORY FRAMEWORK, IT JUST SAYS ONCE IT’S BEEN HERE
THEN AUTOMATICALLY THE PROHIBITION IS WAIVED.
» NO, WELL, IT DOESN’T SAY TO REPEAL THE BYLAW OR IT DOESN’T
PROVIDE A CLAUSE ON THE BYLAW. WHAT IT SAYS IS PROHIBIT THE USE
OF E-SCOOTERS UNTIL WE USE IT. THAT’S THE — THAT WAS THE
INTENT. » UNTIL SUCH TIME AS COUNCIL
HAS CONSIDERED IT THERE A PROHIBITION. SO LOGICALLY THAT
SAYS ONCE COUNCIL HAS CONSIDERED IT THERE IS NO LONGER A
PROHIBITION. » IT DOESN’T THOUGH BECAUSE I
THINK IT’S THE THIRD PART OF THE MOTION THAT HAS THE INDICATION
THAT WE SHOULD EMACT BYLAWS IT DOESN’T IN THIS CASE, I DON’T
SAY REPEAL THE BYLAWS CERTAINLY THE INTENT ISN’T TO
AUTOMATICALLY REMOVE THE — REMOVE THE — THE EXISTING BYLAWS AND I GET
SOME CLARIFICATION FROM THE SOLICITOR
» MADAM SPEAKER, MADAM SPEAKER, COUNCILLOR LAYTON AND I ARE
HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF LACK OF CLARITY HERE. MY UNDERSTANDING
IS UNDER THE PROCEDURE BYLAW IF COUNCIL IS NOT SURE WHAT THE
EFFECT OF SOMETHING IS IT CAN ASK FOR ADVICE OF THE CLERK. MY
READING OF THIS IS THE WAY COUNCILLOR LAYTON HAS WRITTEN
IT, THAT ONCE SOMETHING COMES TO COUNCIL, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT
COUNSEL DECIDES TO DO, THE BYLAW PROHIBITION THAT WE’RE
CONSIDERING WILL BE WAIVED. COUNCILLOR LAYTON HAS A
DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING AND INTENDED SOMETHING DIFFERENTED.
COULD WE GET ADVICE FROM THE CLERKS SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT
IS WE’RE VOTING ON? » YES, YES.
» THANK YOU. » IF I CAN HAVE THE CLERK
BECAUSE I THINK THERE’S A BIT OF A CONFUSION HERE.
» YEAH. » OKAY. COUNCILLOR PERKS.
» YES, PLEASE. » THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT THE
INTENTION IS TO PUT IN PLACE A TEMPORARY REGULATION THAT
PROHIBITS THE USE OF THESE SCOOTERS. THE WORDING THAT UNTIL SUCH TIME
AS IT COMES BACK TO COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL, YOU’RE RIGHT
IMPLIES THAT YOU KNOW, IT’S GOING TO BE
REPEALED AT THAT POINT. THAT I DO NOT THINK THAT IS WHAT
COUNCILLOR LAYTON INTENDED. . » NO.
» SO — » SO —
» [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]. » WE WILL NEED LEGAL TO HELP
REDRAFT. » SO WHY DON’T YOU THEN HOLD
YOUR — » TO BE HONEST.
» DOWN AND WE’LL GET. » IF I COULD ON A POINT OF —
TO BE HONEST, I’M NOT PARTICULARLY PASSIONATELY MOVING THIS MOTION
THAT WILL REALLY HAVE NO EFFECT EXPECT TO SEND A SIGNAL AT SOME
POINT IN TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE WILL RECONSIDER THIS AND
PERHAPS LIFT SOME OF THESE RESTRICTION. SO I’LL GLADLY
WITH THAT BEING SAID WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
» THANK YOU. » OKAY.
» [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]. » WELL, COUNCILLOR — HE WENT THROUGH HIS MOTION.
OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. OKAY. COUNCILLOR COLLE.
» SO SPEAKING TO THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT, MOTION?
» YES. » YEAH BECAUSE LIKE COUNCILLOR
PERKS SAID THERE’S A NEED FOR CLARITY HERE. I JUST SUPPORT
THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.
AND I REALLY URGE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS COUNCILLOR AINSLIE
MENTIONED, THIS IS A PRECARIOUS NO PUN INTENDED ROAD WE’RE GOING
DOWN BECAUSE YOU KNOW OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND
THE RESIDENTS OF TORONTO HAVE GOT THEIR HANDS FULL IN TERMS OF
BEING ABLE TO NAVIGATE THE STREETS AND THE
SIDEWALKS OF TORONTO. SO WHATEVER WE DO, WE JUST GOT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. I MEAN RIGHT NOW I’M
SURE THE NUMBER ONE CALL I’M GETTING IN MY OFFICE FOR THE
LAST FIVE MONTHS BESIDES THE SHOOTING CALLS HAS BEEN THE ONES
ABOUT TRAFFIC. SO — THAT THEY FEEL THAT
THERE’S TOO MUCH SPEEDING, TOO MANY CEMENT TRUCKS, THERE’S TOO
MANY UNSAFE INTERSECTIONS, THEY WANT CROSSING GUARDS, THE SCHOOL
SAFETY ZONES AREN’T SAFE. SO I THINK THAT’S WHAT’S GOT TO
BE PARAMOUNT HERE. I DON’T THINK THAT THE CITY AND
RESIDENTS CAN HANDLE ANY MORE JEOPARDY, ANY MORE UNCERTAINTY
IN TRYING TO WALK DOWN THE STREET OR TRYING TO CROSS THE
STREET, NEVER MIND TRYING TO DRIVE. SO THAT’S WHY I SUPPORT
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND WE’VE GOT TO BE VERY, VERY
CAUTIOUS. I THINK COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK VOICED THE SAME, YOU
KNOW, OPINION. SO LET’S REALLY THINK OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
RIGHT NOW REALLY STRESSED OUT ABOUT DOING THINGS THAT THEY
THOUGHT WERE ROUTINE, WALKING DOWN THE STREET
TO GET A BAG OF APPLES, NOW YOU CAN’T DO THAT WITHOUT RISKING
YOUR LIFE. » OKAY. THERE’S NO MOTION SO WE’RE ON
THE ITEM ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY I UNDERSTAND
YOU’RE WITHDRAWING YOUR MOTION ON THE PAYDAY LOANS, OKAY. SO
ALL IN FAVOR BY ALLOWING COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY TO WITHDRAW
HIS AMENDMENT, ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. DO WE HAVE COUNCILLOR
PERRUZZA’S MOTIONS READY? » HERE WE GO. SO SPEAKER, THERE THEY ARE, IT’S
JUST YOU KNOW, I AM PARS SAN ADD ON ADDING ON SOME LITERATURE TO
ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE —
WHERE WE ENDEAVOR TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE —
SOME OF THE PERILS OF ANY INTEREST AND SOME COUNSELING
AROUND YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS’S FINANCIAL
OPTIONS. IT ADDS A RECOMMENDATION JUST SIMPLY
ASKING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHER
ASKS TO ALSO ENGAGE PARTNERS SUCH AS CREDIT UNIONS IN
PROVIDING SOME OF THESE SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS. THE — THERE’S A THIRD MOTION WHICH IS
STAND-ALONE WHICH ASKS OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL
DEVELOPMENT OF FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION TO ENGAGE
PARTNERS SUCH AS CREDIT UNIONS AND SO ON IN TRYING TO — TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THE
SERVICES THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO TORONTONIANS IN
TRYING TO ALSO DIMINISH SOME OF THE PERILS
OF PAYDAY TYPE LOANS. AND THERE’S A — THERE’S A
MOTION THERE THAT BASICALLY SEEKS TO HAVE THE CITY OF
TORONTO PROHIBIT PAYDAY LOAN ESTABLISHMENTS CASH FOR GOLD
VENDORS AND PAWN SHOPS FROM ADVERTISING ON CITY PROPERTY.
I’LL SPEAK TO THOSE IN JUST A SECOND, SPEAKER.
AND I JUST WANT TO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, OUTLINE WHY ARE WE
DOING THIS? WHY ARE WE GOING OUT AND SAYING AND WE WANT TO MORE RIGOROUSLY REGULATE THESE
FOLKS. WELL, IT’S SIMPLE. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COMES IN FOR AN
INSTALLMENT LOAN AND THE CRIMINAL RATE OF INTEREST IS
60%, SO THESE PAYDAY LOAN ESTABLISHMENTS ARE ABLE TO
CHARGE SOMEBODY IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF 60% INTEREST ON
AN AN INSTALLMENT LOAN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAYDAY LOAN FOR
EXAMPLE AND $15 PER HUNDRED DOLLARS YOU TRANSLATE THAT OUT
INTO AN ANNUAL INTEREST, YOU GO IN FOR A PAYDAY LOAN, YOU KNOW,
SORT OF SEEKING FOR SOME CASH TO BE ABLE TO PAY YOUR RENT, BUY
YOUR GROCERIES, FIX YOUR CAR, YOU’RE CHARGED AN INTEREST RATE
SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF 390% BECAUSE THEY’RE EXEMPTED
FROM THE CRIMINAL RATE OF INTEREST. AND THE REST OF US
SHOULD JUST SIMPLY SAY YOU KNOW WHAT IT’S OKAY FOR SOMEBODY TO
BE CHARGED 390% FOR 500 BUCKS. ANNUAL INTEREST. AND I THINK
THAT THAT’S FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG. AND THAT’S WHY WE’RE STEPPING
INTO THIS — INTO THIS AREA AND SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT — AND
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THESE ESTABLISHMENTS ARE
CLUSTERED. THEY’RE MOSTLY CLUSTERED IN AREAS WHERE YOU
HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF POVERTY. BECAUSE COUNCILLOR
PERRUZZA ISN’T GOING TO GO TO A PAYDAY LOAN ESTABLISHMENT LATER
TODAY SEEKING 500 BUCKS, WELL, OF COURSE UNLESS HE’S GOT SOME
GAMBLING ADDICTION, BUT — TRUE, BUT HE’S NOT GOING TO GO LOOKING
FOR THAT $500 TO FIX HIS CAR. HE’S PROBABLY GOT A CREDIT CARD.
» [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]. » [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS].
» I TAKE IT BACK. » I KNOW THAT COUNCILLOR
PERRUZZA PROBABLY DIDN’T WANT TO SAY THOSE WORDS ABOUT COUNCILLOR
PASTERNAK AND I’M SURE IF YOU ASK HIM —
» I TAKE IT BACK IT WAS TONGUE IN CHEEK, COUNCILLOR
KARYGIANNIS. » [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS] .
» [OFF MIC]. » COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK, YOU’RE
OKAY, RIGHT, OKAY. LET’S CONTINUE.
» [OFF MIC]. » YEAH, THANK YOU.
» OKAY. » THANK YOU, SPEAKER, I’M SO
SORRY THAT I SAID THAT, SOMETIMES THERE’S A DISCONNECT
BETWEEN YOU KNOW MY BRAIN AND MY MOUTH, AND I — AND I MAKE THAT
BACK IF — IF I — IF I OFFENDED COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK. ALL I’M
SAYING, SPEAKER IS THIS: IS THAT THESE PLACES HAVE A
TENDENCY TO CLUSTER IN LOW INCOME NEIGHBOURHOODS, THEY TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF OUR POOR AND MAKE THEIR LIFE HARDER. SO WE’RE
ATTEMPTING HERE IN SOME WAY TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, IT’S PARTLY
OUR JOB TO TAKE CARE OF FOLKS AND TRY TO MAKE THEIR LIVES A
LITTLE EASIER. AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
ARE IN THIS REPORT WILL GO TO SOME WAYS TO DOING THAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO SPEAK LASTLY TO THE LAST MOTION BECAUSE I
KNOW THAT THAT’S NEW AND THAT’S NOT PART OF THE OVERALL PACKAGE
AND THAT’S ABOUT THE ADVERTISEMENTS. AND THE OTHER
DAY I WAS DRIVING BEHIND A BUS. AND ON THE BACK OF THE BUS IT
HAD THIS AD AND THE AD WAS — IT WAS LIKE IT WAS CASH, LOTS OF CASH,
HUNDRED DOLLARS BILLS FOR GOLD. I KNOW WE LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK
AT THOSE ADVERTISEMENTS AND COMMERCIALS AND WE ALL IN TONGUE
AND CHEEK CHUCKLE ABOUT THEM, BUT WHEN YOU ALLOW THEM ON
PUBLIC PROPERTY YOU GIVE THAT ACTIVITY A TYPE OF LEGITIMACY.
A KIND OF YOU KNOW, SORT OF SYMBOLIC PRESENCE THAT THAT
ACTIVITY IS OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND IT. AND SOME
PEOPLE WILL BE DESPERATE FOR CASH AND TAKE FAMILY JEWELS AND
SEEK TO TRADE THEM AND INVARIABLY GET VERY, VERY BAD
TRADES. BUT ALLOWING THOSE FOLKS TO ADVERTISE ON — ON
BUSSES, TO ADVERTISE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, I THINK, GIVES
THEM A LEGITIMACY, A KIND OF CREDIBILITY THAT WHILE ON ONE
HAND WE’RE SAYING — WE’RE SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT, IT’S
WRONG FOR — TO HAVE GROUPS OR BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAT ARE,
YOU KNOW, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OTHERWISE
DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, YOU KNOW, ON ONE HAND WE’RE
SAYING WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT — WE SHOULD FIND A WAY —
» COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, YOUR TIME IS UP.
» ON THE OTHER HAND WE ALLOW THEM TO ADVERTISE ON PUBLIC
PROPERTY. » THANK YOU.
» THANK YOU. » SO WE REALLY HAVE QUESTIONS?
COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY. » THANK YOU.
» 3 MINUTES. » COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA DID
ADDRESS IT TOWARDS THE END OF HIS SPEECH BUT I JUST WANT TO GO
OVER THAT, THE LAST ITEM NUMBER 4 TALKS ABOUT PROHIBITING ADS ON
AGENCIES BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHICH I WILL TAKE TO READ BUSSES
BECAUSE COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA BROUGHT IT UP. I WONDER IF HE
COULD CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE DONE
SOMETHING WRONG. » YEAH, SO NOT THAT THOSE
BUSINESSES HAVE DONE ANYTHING WRONG, BUT I REMEMBER BEING ON
THE TTC AND CHAIRING THE ADVERTISING COMMITTEE, FOR
EXAMPLE, AND THERE WAS A SERVICE IT WAS AN INTERNET SERVICE WHO
ESSENTIALLY HADN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG, BUT THERE WAS A MORAL
ISSUE AT PLAY. I FORGET WHAT THE NAME OF THE SERVICE WAS. I
THINK IT CONNECTED — IT CONNECTED MARRIED PEOPLE TO OTHER MARRIED
PEOPLE AND WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT THING?
» [OFF MIC]. » ASHLEY MADISON. IT CREATED A
CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF CONTROVERSY. WERE THEY DOING
ANYTHING WRONG? NO. A SEGMENT OF OUR SOCIETY AND FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE, BUT A SECOND AM OF OUR SOCIETY —
» HOW IS THIS CLARIFICATION OF THE MOTION?
» I DON’T KNOW. » COUNCILLOR, WE’RE GETTING
WAY, WAY OFF HERE. » WHAT I’M SAYING.
» COUNCILLOR. » HAVE THOSE BUSINESSES DONE
ANYTHING WRONG, BUT THEY HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG, BUT WHAT
WE’RE DOING IS GIVING THEM A KIND OF A LEGITIMACY THAT ON ONE
HAND WE’RE SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SHOULDN’TED BE TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE IN THIS WAY AND ON THE OTHER HAND WE’RE
SAYING IT’S OKAY FOR YOU TO ADVERTISE ON THE BACK OF A BUS
AND GIVE YOU THAT PUBLIC LEGITIMACY THAT ON ONE HAND
WE’RE SAYING IS IT’S NOT OKAY. » DO YOU THINK WE COULD LEGALLY
EVEN DO THAT? » I THINK WE DID IT WITH ASHLEY
MADISON, I THINK WE CAN PROHIBIT ANYBODY FROM ADVERTISING THROUGH
A POLICY STATEMENT FROM BEING ABLE TO ALLOW THEM TO ADVERTISE
ON OUR, YOU KNOW, SKATING RINK BOARDS OR YOU KNOW, ON OUR
PUBLIC LIBRARY MATERIALS OR ON THE BACKS OF BUSSES.
» OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR COLLE YOUR
CLARIFICATION. » I WAS GOING TO ASK THE
COUNCILLOR, PERHAPS MIGHT IT NOT BE BEST TO LET THE COMMISSION
LIKE OR THE BOARD OR AGENCY TO DETERMINE THE EFFICACY OF AN ADVERTISEMENT
RATHER THAN US PUTTING A BLANKET STATEMENT?
» I WOULDN’T DISAGREE WITH THAT. AND NORMALLY I’M LIKE MINDED IN
THAT WAY. BUT HERE IN THIS REPORT WE ARE SAYING VERY
CLEARLY THAT PAYDAY LENDERS AND SOME OF THESE OTHER FOLKS ARE
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY BY
CHARGING THEM EX ASSOCIATE WANTEDLY HIGH RATES OF INTEREST
WHEN THEY COME IN TO BORROW MONEY. » I THINK YOU’VE CLARIFIED IT.
WE CAN BE VOTING ON THE ITEM. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY, I UNDERSTAND
THAT YOU WANT TO BE — YOU WANT TO VOTE A RECORDED VOTE ON
NUMBER 4, RIGHT? » [OFF MIC].
» YES. SO WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT FIRST BY COUNCILLOR
PERRUZZA — » [OFF MIC].
» YES, COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY. » ALSO OUT OF CONSCIOUS CANNOT
SUPPORT ITEM 46 COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA’S AND I WISH TO VOTE ON
THAT SEPARATELY AND I THINK MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE
NOTE OF THAT. » ALL RIGHT. SO ON THE
AMENDMENT BY COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY
WANTS A SEPARATE VOTE ON NUMBER 4. , PART 4. OKAY. RECORDED VOTE. THIS IS
ON NUMBER 4. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY WANTS A SEPARATE VOTE ON THAT. » PART 4 OF THE AMENDMENT
CARRIES 18-2. » OKAY. ON THE AMENDMENT ALL
IN FAVOR? ON THE BALANCE OF THE AMENDMENT ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. ON 4 ON THE REPORT COUNCILLOR
HOLYDAY WANTS A SEPARATE VOTE. RECORDED VOTE. THIS IS PART 4 ON THE REPORT. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY WANTS TO VOTE
AGAINST THAT ONE. » PART 4 OF THE MAIN MOTION
CARRIES 19 TO 1. » ON THE ITEM AS AMENDED
RECORDED VOTE. RECORDED VOTE. COUNCILLOR FLETCHER THE NEXT
ITEM IS THAT — IS THAT GOING TO BE A LONG ITEM OR —
» [OFF MIC] » PAGE 7 PH 8.1.
» [OFF MIC]. » OH R THAT’S TOMORROW MORNING.
» [OFF MIC] » ALL RIGHT. » DEPUTY MAYOR MINNAN-WONG,
PLEASE. THE BALANCE OF THE IF YOU MEAN
AS AMENDED CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY 20 IN FAVOR.
» OKAY PAGE 7 PH 8.4, COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY, YOU HELD IT DOWN. DO
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? » I DO NOT HAVE QUESTIONS. I’M
HOPING I’VE GOT AN AMENDMENT READY. .
» THAT’S ON CHAPTER — » YEAH, MAKE SURE THIS IS WHAT
I SUBMIT. » OKAY. » SO I’LL EXPLAIN VERY QUICKLY.
I’M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE REPORT AS WRITTEN. THIS IS AN
ADDITIONAL REQUEST FOR A REPORT BACK. AND IT’S AROUND CONSTRUCTION
MANAGEMENT PLANS. IT’S A LEARNING THAT I HAD FROM
A PROJECT IN MY WARD WHERE WE WORKED REALLY DILIGENTLY WITH A
DEVELOPER. WHAT WE LOOKED AT CLOSELY WAS YOU KNOW, HOW ARE
GOODS GOING TO COME AND GO FROM THE SITE, DOES THAT CONFLICT
WITH SCHOOL BUS DROP OFF AND PICK UP,
IS IT GOING TO CONFLICT WITH PEDESTRIAN ROUTES, YOU KNOW HOW
WOULD THE CEMENT TRUCK COME THROUGH THE STREETS, WHICH
STREETS SHOULD IT USE, AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WE DID IS WE
TRACED A ROUTE OUT OF THE CONSTRUCTION SITE ALMOST ALL THE
WAY TO THE HIGHWAY. SO THIS IS THE WAY WE WANT ALL VENDORS AND
SUPPLIERS OF THE SITE TO USE. AND THE NEIGHBOURHOOD HAD A
CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THAT AND GET ONBOARD. WE REALIZED ONE
STREET HAD A SIDEWALK, SO THAT WAS THE ONE TO USE. WHAT THIS
IS REALLY IS ASKING OUR STAFF TO LOOK AT ENHANCING WHAT THEY ASK
OF DEVELOPERS AND CONSTRUCTORS IN THEIR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT
PLANS BECAUSE THEY DON’T ASK A LOT TODAY AND I THINK THERE’S
ROOM TO ASK FOR MORE. AND I WILL TAKE TO HEART SOME RECENT
NEWS STORIES ABOUT COLLISIONS
RELATING TO VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION. AND THE
THOUGHT I HAD IS IF WE RAISE THE BAR ON THE PLANNING PROCESS
EARLY ON AND TALKED ABOUT HOW THE GOODS MOVEMENT TO AND FROM
THESE SITES COULD WORK AND COULD WORK BETTER TO DO A LITTLE BIT
OF PROACTIVE PLANNING AND INSTEAD OF DOING AN AD HOC ON A
VOLUNTARY BASIS LIKE BE THE DEVELOPER IN MY WARD DID, MAYBE
RAISE THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE CITY’S PERSPECTIVE WE MIGHT HAVE
BERTH OUTCOMES. SO IT’S NOT EXHAUSTIVE BUT I WANTED TO
REALLY POINT OUT IN MY MOTION THAT ONE COMPONENT THAT HAD TO
DO WITH THE MOVEMENT OF TRUCKS TO AND FROM THE SITE AND HOW WE
PROTECT VULNERABLE USERS INCLUDING PEDESTRIANS AND YOU
KNOW, DO THINGS LIKE CONTACT THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SAY WHERE ARE
YOUR BUS STOPS SO THAT WE KNOW AND WE CAN BUILD THAT INTO THE
PLAN ABOUT WHEN DELIVERIES OCCUR AND HOW THOSE TRUCKS COME AND GO
OUT OF THE SITE. I HOPE YOU’LL FIND THAT TO BE A HELPFUL MOTION
AND SOMETHING THAT WILL ADVANCE US AS A CITY FROM A SAFETY
PERSPECTIVE AND FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IT GETS
LOCAL RESIDENTS IN ON THE CONVERSATION ON HOW THEY’RE
GOING TO COPE WITH CONSTRUCTION OVER TIME IN AND AROUND THEIR
NEIGHBOURHOODS. THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR COLLE, DO YOU HAVE A
QUESTION YOU RELEASED THE ITEM. » THAT’S WHY I WANTED TO ASK THE
MOVER A QUESTION. » WHO?
» I WANTED TO ASK COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY A QUESTION.
» YES, OKAY. GO AHEAD. » THANK YOU.
I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’RE AWARE, COUNCILLOR, THERE WAS A MOTION
PASSED BY THE EAST YORK TORONTO COMMUNITY COUNCIL AND NORTH YORK
COUNCIL DEALING WITH A COMPREHENSIVE CONSTRUCTION
TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN UNDERTAKEN BY OUR TRANSPORTATION
DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PARTNERS AND THE
TORONTO POLICE, ARE YOU AWARE OF THOSE 2 MOTIONS THAT HAVE
ALREADY BEEN PASSED BY — » YEAH, THAT’S GREAT. THE
PURPOSE OF MY MOTION IS NOT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT, ABOUT YOU
TO ENSURE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLANS WHICH ARE A
CURRENT PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND WHERE DEVELOPERS RIGHT NOW ON A
VOLUNTARY BASIS COULD ARTICULATE THESE TYPE OF DETAILS, I WANT TO
MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN ENTRANCE PROCESS. I REALIZE
IT MAY COME OFF AS A BIT OF RED TAPE BUT I WENT THROUGH THIS
EXERCISE ON A RECENT DEVELOPMENT AND IT HAS PROVEN ITSELF WORTHY
OF THE TIME SPENT UP FRONT. AND I DON’T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH
THAT PROCESS AND WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THE INDUSTRY AND
WITH THE CITY, BUT FROM A VERY MICRO LEVEL WITH STAFF, YOU
KNOW, I THINK WE CAN ASK THESE THINGS OF DEVELOPERS AND HAVE
THESE CONVERSATIONS UP FRONT. I CAN’T SEE A DOWNSIDE.
» AS I SAID AREN’T YOU AWARE WE ARE DOING THAT, WE START DOING
THAT 2 WEEKS AGO. » THAT’S GREAT BUT I DON’T KNOW
IF THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO LINK TO CONSTRUCTION.
» IT IS. IT IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY COVER THE WHOLE CITY.
» THAT’S GREAT BUT THE MOTION BEFORE US AND THE ITEM BEFORE US
IS AROUND THE BYLAWS AND THE PLANS. IF IT’S REDUNDANT,
GREAT, I HOPE YOU SUPPORT IT, MAYBE IT WILL MESH TOGETHER WITH
THAT PROCESS, BUT THIS IS ONE PARTICULAR ONE THAT WAS ON MY
RADAR AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED AS PART OF
THIS — THIS ITEM AND IN CONSIDERATION.
» THANK YOU. OKAY SO ON THE AMENDMENT BY
COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY ALL IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. ITEM AS
AMENDED ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR BRADFORD YOU HAVE A
MOTION TO INTRODUCE THE CONFIRMING BILL.
» DO I? I DO. THANK YOU.
MADAM SPEAKER, THAT LEAVE BE GRANTED TO INTRODUCE A BILL TO
CONFIRM TO THE POINT THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS MOTION THE
PROCEEDINGS OF CITY COUNSEL MEETING 10 ON OCTOBER 2ND, 2019.
» SHALL LEAVE BE GRANTED TO INTRODUCE THIS BILL RECORDED
VOTE. » COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD, PLEASE,
AND COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA. » THE MOTION TO INTRODUCE THE
CONFIRMING BILL CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY 17 IN FAVOR.
» SHALL THIS BILL BE PASSED AND DECLARED AS A BYLAW, RECORDING
VOTE. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, PLEASE,
COUNCILLOR PERKS, PLEASE. » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER,
COUNCILLOR MATLOW, YOUR VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCILLOR MATLOW. » THE MOTION TO ENACT THE
CONFIRMING BILL CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY 18 IN FAVOR.
» OKAY. COUNCIL RECESSED UNTIL TOMORROW AT 9:30. » [OFF MIC]

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